Harry and Emma for Boomers?
C'mon daddy-o!
I guess your kids can obsess over Ariande Grande's Swarovski-encrusted IPhone, maybe that's the future of the high end.
State of the industry - Roy Gregory Editorial
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C'mon daddy-o!
I guess your kids can obsess over Ariande Grande's Swarovski-encrusted IPhone, maybe that's the future of the high end.
Good thing we and millions of others found our way to music and music systems without the internet and being told by some annoying “influencer”, even the title makes me puke! Why do youth of today have to be Nannied to death and spoon fed? Herded actually like sheeple. The journey and discovery is part of the learning and growing allow anyone who’s interested figure it out without interference. Specially by the group that for the most part is totally confused and still chasing it’s own tail! The magazines and people like Pearson and Holt with their army of zombie reviewers already poisoned enough of our generation don’t do the same to the future. Like you haven’t guessed I have a very dim view of this industry in it’s current stage, too few professionals and too many mouth pieces at every level.
david
david
One would hope that in classical and jazz music heavy handed overmastering would not be a problem, and while it is much less common than in pop-rock it has become more prevalent (and annoying) in recent years
While I would agree in part with this opinion, I think the "industry" has usually been somewhat self-destructive. Every decade from the 1960's on has had cringeworthy advertising and phoilosophy by the "hifi" industry (Dynagroove? Vanishingly low THD and IM values?) Whatever one might think of Stereophile and The Absolute Sound now, their formative years addressed a clear need to attempt to counter that.
You need new friends... mine are either impressed enough to start their own modest (or not so modest) audiophile systems or at least we spend a large % of the time playing their favorite music. No one rolls their eyes or think I’m nuts (at least not for my hifi
). If non-audiophiles are not at least moderately impressed with the sound of your system I would have a hard look at your systemAnd Brad, you really need to read my words before you resort to cheap jibes. I already said they're in the moment when they listen here, they genuinely love the sound at my place. But for them, they can't reconcile the expense of the hobby, the need for real estate, the time constraints and multiple interruptions to dedicated listening that this hobby demands. That's w Zus and not w Zus.
I believe Brad is the man we need. The man to save the industry.
He shows his system to ten guys, and they're inspired to buy into the high end.
These guys then show their systems to ten other guys each. And you know, they buy in.
And on and on.
And before you know it, the whole world has jacked in its collective IPod, and listening on the go, and music in the background...and we're all sitting down to reverentially listen to music w no distractions.
And Twitter will jack in the culture war and take to brutal discussions on cables and fuses and switches and VTA.
It's a brave new world, alright.
He shows his system to ten guys, and they're inspired to buy into the high end.
These guys then show their systems to ten other guys each. And you know, they buy in.
And on and on.
And before you know it, the whole world has jacked in its collective IPod, and listening on the go, and music in the background...and we're all sitting down to reverentially listen to music w no distractions.
And Twitter will jack in the culture war and take to brutal discussions on cables and fuses and switches and VTA.
It's a brave new world, alright.
Actually I don’t have a problem with either magazine these days and believe they provide an information service as Elliot mentioned. It’s the HP days and his power over the industry and unnatural influence with the consumer that I had a problem with and I see him in particular extremely toxic in that period. A lot of confusion today is a direct result of both magazines.
david
If you want people to adopt your hobby then it has to be clear to the music lover, who is not yet into audio, what advantage to listening is being gained. Most systems I have heard don’t give that compelling reason. The sound doesn’t speak for itself. You focus on the OCD aspects but really it is about convincing sound...period. They should hear it and think WOW, haven’t heard anything like that before.
if I had 2 million euro to blow on a system I would seriously consider buying the full Munich Living Voice rig because it does things I have never ever heard a stereo do. It goes beyond and the sound is truly convincing.
I agree Brad. Listeners have to leave thinking about that listening experience and sound and wanting to get more of it. I had that experience when I heard the Magico V2 with vinyl. It lead to me getting the Mini II. After that experience, I was hooked. If you tell them what it costs, they will walk away unless all they can think about is how good it sounded and how much they enjoyed listening to the music. It's about the experience and values.
You're sounding like the guy who tries to convince his friends that driving needs to involve a Ferrari etc.
I can tell you right now, the family, friends and patients that I know who have a love for music, precisely zero of them have the inclination to go into our hobby in any meaningful way.
So yes, it's great you have friends who've taken the plunge, big and small, that's not my experience in the least.
A good take is a waiter at our local Indian restaurant. He has spent good money on his car, watch and clothes. He has zero interest in an audio system at home beyond ITunes and Soundbar, IPod etc.
You put him in front of the Living Voice, he'll love what he hears, but once out of the room he'll only want to talk about the Porsche Boxster he's determined to buy.
But you were already an audiophile back then, Peter, willing to spend the money. Big difference.
All non-audiophiles who heard my system loved the sound. But none of them would have been willing to spend some money towards the goal of such a sound.
Yes, I had a system, but I was not really into it the way I am now. No idea if that made me an audiophile then. It was that system, heard with a friend, that got me to pursue the hobby more intensively. The key to my post was that I could not stop thinking about that system after I left the store. Who knows if your friends who hear your system think about it after they leave. Have you asked them?
The same thing happened to me when visiting Utah and hearing ddk's big system. The next day I heard the Vitavoxs in his small room. That night I was up late reading everything I could about Vitavox on the net. First thing I did the next morning as David was making breakfast was sneak into that room and put on one of my LPs to hear that complete system again. A year later, I now own it. That kind of experience can be transforming. Ask your friends if any of them were transformed.
Sure non audiophiles can be impressed with the systems on this forum. For the most part, they are much better than what they have heard before. That's not hard to do. What's hard is to get them to change their behavior because you have exposed them to something which they can not get out of their heads.
I know from three that they were thinking about it afterwards. That doesn't mean that they were enticed to become audiophiles.
Just like I was not enticed after the experiences in Austria of a Porsche GT3 RS and the, for me at least equally impressive, experience of my friend's extremely light-weight Alpine A110 (loved that car on the tight-cornered Austrian mountain roads!!!!!!) to go out and buy a sports car myself. I still love my little 2015 Nissan Versa, which is its own little fun in corners (no, not comparable with the A110).
Alpine A110:
Now you are again talking from your perspective as already being an audiophile, and then ask if my non-audiophile friends were transformed like you were, having already been an audiophile when visiting Utah. I don't quite see the logic here.
Well, you already had a system back then, when you heard the Magicos. So yes, that made you at least a budding audiophile.
You should ask yourself another question: How many of the non-audiophile people who you told me were in love with the sound your horn system have become audiophiles? You know the answer. It makes my point.
You are describing my WOW moment with Mike Kay at Lyric. Fortunately there are many ways to experience a WOW moment…trade shows, dealers, and perhaps best of all a listen at a friend’s place. Our local vinyl store had two employees really interested in jazz. We started to get together and have listens on my system. We worked together to improve their systems with recommendations and then them having a listen at dealers and friends. One wound up with ELAC speakers and Prima Luna gear.
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