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This whole area is fascinating. I have such good long term results with my tt on the pneumatic Stacore, and air bearing LT arm.
And having heard two stellar tts with air bearings, the Vyger and Bergmann, I can quite imagine how good the MS is.
 
Indeed it was Lagonda. I will say, however, as special as the big system is, I was astonished at how good another pair of vintage speakers sounded in that room, simply pushed up against the wall and used for casual listening. The two systems in his other room were also extremely good sounding, despite the limitations and major challenge of the room.

The air bearing of the SX8000 II is a wonder to behold. It is a very clever and simple design, and it is extremely well made. There is very little to go wrong. I never had a chance to inspect the AS2000 bearing, but we gave the platter a spin and came back 15-20 minutes later and it was still moving. Simply incredible. The Micro does something very similar, just not to the same degree. I now know why David chose these tables to be in his "Beyond" category.

My impression is that the AS 2000 just takes the natural sound of the SX 8000 II to a higher level. I think it is simply more, not really different. They follow the same approach to sound. They get out of the way of the presentation. Unfortunately, we did not have the time to compare the two tables side by side in the same system. David gave me the choice, but I decided to simply take his word for it. We set up and listened to the Thorens Reference instead so that I could hear how it presents the music differently from the AS 2000. There was no right or wrong, no better or worse. They were simply natural sounding. It was like hearing the same orchestra and conductor playing the same music in Vienna, Boston and Chicago. Real and convincing in both cases, just different presentations. Lesser tables do not do this, IME.

These tables, including the Micro Seiki, are examples of the best in the hobby, and I feel so fortunate to be able to own such a thing.
Congratulations Peter! precision mechanicals are intoxicating to me, this is especially so. Makes me really rethink not having analog. Enjoy
 
Congratulations Peter. The MS SX8000 Mk II is the best table I own and the move to MS was prompted by David when he visited a while back. Even the much cheaper RX5000 which I had first sounded amazing. It makes you wonder how much we have advanced in TT design over the last 40 years for these designs to continue to be at the top of the game. I guess the best designers and manufacturers were focused on analog then so they were built to the absolutely highest level. That may not be the case today. Buying a vintage table made me a bit apprehensive as I imagined a lifetime of fixing and tinkering. Now I wish I had done it from the beginning!
 
Congrats Peter, happy for you to get such an iconic tt. it's a beauty. look forward to your in room feedback and love affair with your through style.

every time i listen to my CS Port tt it is such a satisfying musical experience. high mass plinth and platter + string drive belt + air bearing = musical bliss.
 
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I guess the best designers and manufacturers were focused on analog then so they were built to the absolutely highest level.

And they had the resources, backing, skill and motivation to carry that pursuit to where it led them. The focus you mention is narrower today yet still alive in the likes of David Karmeli and Hideaki Nishikawa.
 
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In early December, I asked DDK (David Karmeli) if he could find a specific turntable for me. He said yes and the search began. About a month ago, the table was found and we discussed details.

I am very happy for you Peter. What a nice write-up about what no doubt will prove to be for you the start of a new level of discovery and audio experience. Thanks in advance for letting us ride along.
 
Congratulations Peter. I'm a bit jealous in more ways than one. That Micro Seiki is very desirable. One of these days when this pandemic is over I'll have to make my way out to David's place. He has been helpful or at least inspiring in my quest for the "Beyond" as well.
 
In early December, I asked DDK (David Karmeli) if he could find a specific turntable for me. He said yes and the search began. About a month ago, the table was found and we discussed details. Two weeks ago it landed in Utah and I decided to pay him a visit. I wanted to hear the table for myself, inspect it to confirm the condition, and finalize the purchase. (In hindsight, this was all unnecessary as I quickly confirmed that David is a man of his word.) I also thought it would be a fantastic opportunity to meet the gentleman who has helped and guided me with my system set up for over a year now. I ended up staying for a week. It has turned out to be the most revelatory audio experience I have had.

I am not at the same system level as most of his customers, having both a lower budget and the need to make slow and deliberate decisions about purchases. However, I am equally passionate about the hobby and wanting to hear my beloved music in the most enjoyable way possible within my limitations. What I heard in Utah confirmed a long suspicion I had been forming. I heard four different systems there, each sounding completely natural, yet slightly different. I learned why and this became the key to my understand of what "natural sound" is and how it can be achieved. I thought of my own system as being on the "natural sound" side of the spectrum, but I had to hear this for myself. I also wanted to get to know David better. He was already becoming a friend and might perhaps become the dealer with whom I would develop my system further.

Upon returning home, I listened to my system, and then redid the cartridge set up following tips David had taught me in Utah. I listened again to the same LPs I had brought and listened to at his house. This confirmed for me that I am already on the path of "natural sound". It is now simply a matter of deciding how far I want to go in the direction of his superb systems. I will know more once my new table arrives in a couple of weeks.

Here is a photo of my new Micro Seiki SX8000II in David's smaller listening room. I also bought two NOS SME 3012R tonearms to go along with this table. The table is in mint, almost "AS NEW" condition. David and I took apart the air bearing and I was able to understand the incredible level to which this table is designed and made. I listened for hours and confirmed the decision to buy it. David is everything people say about him. He is extremely thorough, knowledgable, and generous. He has his strong opinions, but I respect that and discovered on what they are based. He only deals in top quality items and operates only in the best interest of his clients. It is a rare and valuable thing.

I will be writing more about this week long experience in a dedicated thread. I will also contribute to the "Beyond turntables" thread once I have learned more about this table in my own system.

David is a real asset to this forum and to the hobby. People from around the world contacted him while I was there for set up and equipment advice. I am truly astonished. I have not learned more about audio and sound from anyone. Thank you so much, David.

1. DDK setting up the table
2. The Micro Seiki SX 8000 II
3. The contraband: 2 NOS SME 3012R arms (with cardboard box of 12 LPs I brought)

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@PeterA It is great that you have a chance to learn a few things from ddk. He taught me things and to me they were the most valuable thing I got in audio beside making friends.

@ddk Have you been overly enjoying your wife's cooking. :D
 
In early December, I asked DDK (David Karmeli) if he could find a specific turntable for me. He said yes and the search began. About a month ago, the table was found and we discussed details. Two weeks ago it landed in Utah and I decided to pay him a visit. I wanted to hear the table for myself, inspect it to confirm the condition, and finalize the purchase. (In hindsight, this was all unnecessary as I quickly confirmed that David is a man of his word.) I also thought it would be a fantastic opportunity to meet the gentleman who has helped and guided me with my system set up for over a year now. I ended up staying for a week. It has turned out to be the most revelatory audio experience I have had.

I am not at the same system level as most of his customers, having both a lower budget and the need to make slow and deliberate decisions about purchases. However, I am equally passionate about the hobby and wanting to hear my beloved music in the most enjoyable way possible within my limitations. What I heard in Utah confirmed a long suspicion I had been forming. I heard four different systems there, each sounding completely natural, yet slightly different. I learned why and this became the key to my understand of what "natural sound" is and how it can be achieved. I thought of my own system as being on the "natural sound" side of the spectrum, but I had to hear this for myself. I also wanted to get to know David better. He was already becoming a friend and might perhaps become the dealer with whom I would develop my system further.

Upon returning home, I listened to my system, and then redid the cartridge set up following tips David had taught me in Utah. I listened again to the same LPs I had brought and listened to at his house. This confirmed for me that I am already on the path of "natural sound". It is now simply a matter of deciding how far I want to go in the direction of his superb systems. I will know more once my new table arrives in a couple of weeks.

Here is a photo of my new Micro Seiki SX8000II in David's smaller listening room. I also bought two NOS SME 3012R tonearms to go along with this table. The table is in mint, almost "AS NEW" condition. David and I took apart the air bearing and I was able to understand the incredible level to which this table is designed and made. I listened for hours and confirmed the decision to buy it. David is everything people say about him. He is extremely thorough, knowledgable, and generous. He has his strong opinions, but I respect that and discovered on what they are based. He only deals in top quality items and operates only in the best interest of his clients. It is a rare and valuable thing.

I will be writing more about this week long experience in a dedicated thread. I will also contribute to the "Beyond turntables" thread once I have learned more about this table in my own system.

David is a real asset to this forum and to the hobby. People from around the world contacted him while I was there for set up and equipment advice. I am truly astonished. I have not learned more about audio and sound from anyone. Thank you so much, David.

1. DDK setting up the table
2. The Micro Seiki SX 8000 II
3. The contraband: 2 NOS SME 3012R arms (with cardboard box of 12 LPs I brought)

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Congratulations Peter , that’s the ultimate turntable!!!
I am so happy for you !!!
 
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Congrats Peter. It will be great to hear your videos now with the MS instead of the SME.

Are you swapping the Magico to any of the speakers you heard?
 
Ked, cut him some slack, the guy has to walk before he can run.
 
And you know what happens to those guys? They end up dating girls who love men with facial scars and no front teeth.
 
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LOL! I do more than half the cooking myself these days!

david

Both are excellent cooks. David had made great barbecue and his wife had made the best Oyako don I have had
 
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Congratulations Peter on purchasing one of the best turntables ever made. I've heard the Micro Seiki 8000 Mk 1 extensively and can say that is a phenomenal piece of functional art. Your "new" mark two looks even cleaner.
 
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Congrats peter on the new turntable ,it looks like a very efficiently constructed design, thats probably why it aged so well in terms of quality.
Kudos to DDK for all the help / advice , natural sound is the way to go, the rest is all short term hype .

Ps what was your impression of the LAMM amplification ??
 
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Congrats, Peter. I've never heard of that turntable and have no idea what an air bearing brings to the table (pun intended) but I assume it's a good thing and the table is an upgrade over your beloved SME. I am not a fan of most vintage equipment from an aesthetics perspective but your new table is very, very pretty. :)
 
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Peter, congratulations! This is definitely a classic turntable you just bought! Any word on how it compares with the various current TechDAS incarnations?
 

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