In your photo you’re using a large thick block of wood in this case the type and density, shape, size of the wood matters not so much with 0.5” thick coasters.
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Peter, are you considering going the whole nine yards? Amps direct on floor, tt on sturdy domestic sideboard, maintaining all stock rubber footers? We would be most curious to hear about that.
Otherwise you sound like a sex addict who is promising to go monogamous, but only on weekends Lol.
Otherwise you sound like a sex addict who is promising to go monogamous, but only on weekends Lol.
It was regarding the small thin slices of wood Peter has placed under his equipment, they’re too insignificant for species to matter as long it’s dense hardwood and serve a different purpose than your thick wood base.
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Amps on which kind of floor? What "standard piece of domestic furniture"? Everything is a tweak, including adjusting the toe in of speakers.
Indeed everything is a tweak, incl what you had for breakfast that day. Peter may think I'm jibbing him, but I'm truly curious as to if he is seriously getting mileage in stripping his ancilliaries back, he doesn't go further, and put the amps on the floor, the tt on a beautiful sturdy antique sideboard that would enhance his room aesthetics. In decades past, before audiophilia took off, owners of serious hifi would have done that very thing.
Why strip out Vibraplanes etc, and not consider stripping out the rack, ampstands and footers? And all other ancilliaries. Doe's Peter's curiosity not stretch to that?
Marc I kindly ask you to leave the discussion and stop polluting my system thread with utter nonsense. Contact me off-line if you must
None of this is new Francisco actually these concepts have been around for a long while and been proven to work over that time but somehow this basic knowledge disappeared when the high end magazines started to get traction and wanted to sound important recommending all kinds of crap. Dimensions and shape of turntable’s base have an effect but you’re not tuning either when using a single material, it’s not the case with these steel plates.
Edit- I keep repeating this but high end was already perfected by early 60’s, what came later is some incremental progress because of new materials and parts. Nothing new or innovative in the tt world since the 70’s super Reference players either.
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Haha, no thanks. I find yr response fascinating, but not in a good way. Happy not to pollute any further.
Peter it's a trap. Once he contacts you offline and starts chatting it is like tweaks and hotel California, you get in, you can never leave
You will get a slightly different effect with copper shelf but not much in this case and 1” copper is a lot more expensive than steel. The main purpose of steel is mass loading in this application, you don’t need to complicate matters. This process is to get Peter to a place where he has a proper baseline with a natural sounding system. From here he can make educated decisions if he feels the need to go further. The clutter and snake oil is what kills any system, at this point he can figure out what this junk does going forward. Also try his speakers without any toe in next.
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I try black walnut under my preamp. It is definitely worse than verawood. Although black walnut is hardwoood, specify gravity is only around 0.6. Dense hardwood specific gravity should be close to or greater than 1. Oak’s specific gravity is also only 0.6. I try rosewood under my preamp. The sound is similar to vera wood. Rosewood specify gravity is around 0.9.
Although the main purpose of the steel slab is mass loading, it surely has some secondary effects - I am sure that if I replace the SRAs under the Lamm's by steel slabs it will affect significantly sound quality, even in my very solid floor - wood over cement with several layers on sand. It seems to me that using steel a lot of energy will be reflected back to the equipment and not drained to ground. Wether this is natural sound is open to debate - it is surely a different sound that some people may prefer.
Although simplification is real temptation is audio matters, IMHO most of the time it leads to false conclusions.
Question to the experts: Would a block of marble/granite under a turntable be a good idea?
{I use some similar atop my subs and loudspeakers; I never measured with tools or ears for vibrations}
? https://www.amazon.com/HHIP-4901-00...5DJS5D8Y7862&refRID=1M8TBJYB5DJS5D8Y7862&th=1
{I use some similar atop my subs and loudspeakers; I never measured with tools or ears for vibrations}
? https://www.amazon.com/HHIP-4901-00...5DJS5D8Y7862&refRID=1M8TBJYB5DJS5D8Y7862&th=1
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