The new usb card is $2K in the US. You don't have to buy the new usb card when purchasing the Extreme. The Extreme comes with a standard usb output. Although it would not make sense at this point to not purchase the enhanced new usb card as it is a game changer.What is the Extreme USB option? The website doesn't seem to explain it anywhere that I see...
Can you add more storage afterwards?
I believe your Yggy runs a proprietary USB interface. You might want to check with Taiko to make sure it can support the TAS USB driver. If not you'll still take a major digital leap forward with the Extreme and the USB card but it's always nicer to have it all.What is the Extreme USB option? The website doesn't seem to explain it anywhere that I see...
Can you add more storage afterwards?
And last but never least Ian is the customer service that Taiko provides. In all of my years in this hobby I have never seen a manufacturer who seems to be available 24 x 7 and with his team of developers he has only one goal......to make a server with the very best sonic quality and IMO he has achieved this with the introduction of TASWow, some very compelling testimonials!
OK, I want one.
If there is a caveat, this bridge does not utilize XMOS but rather a chipset from a Taiwanese company called C-Media and so this was an initial concern. Would this C-Media chipset be no better than Amanero?
You see, I am not theorizing. I bought several (well, more than several) USB boards to evaluate. Same for dac boards. Reverse engineer most of them, sketching out circuits from following traces and ringing out connections with a meter. Many listening tests performed too. After enough time and effort invested, one gets to know a lot about how dacs, USB boards, etc. are designed just by looking at at pictures of them.
As my 2 Chord DAVEs were already highly modified and their warranties already voided, I was not against exploring such a bypass even if it meant sacrificing one of my DAVEs and a small group of us DAVE owners did explore this.
Would you suggest an Mscaler user also bypass the mscale’s usb?FYI - just a tiny bit of correction for those of us who would like to pursue this route, it's actually manufactured by a Taiwanese company called ComTrue Inc. and the model is CT7601 as I mentioned back in January 2021 / March 2018
Here's an alternative for DIY purposes
In addition to CT7601, here's yet another 32fs-capable candidate that could actually emulate XMOS XU208 while a Californian audiophile already confirmed that's as good as JL Sounds I2SoverUSB v.III in the SQ department
Obviously further gains could be achieved by going all out with this 24 MHz Ultra OCXO
Since we already went down that particular road, maybe those BNC connectors could also do better than?
Thanks for the update.
Is the Dave not anymore in the pending list? I understood in one of Emile's posts that the Dave will be part of the next USB drive scope or did I got it wrong?
How to bypass Amanero in the Chord DAVE
As an avid longtime owner of the Chord DAVE DAC, I have enviously watched Lampizator Pacific owners surgically bypass the horribly high-latency Amanero USB chipset that came installed on their DAC courtesy of the JL Sounds XMOS board. It turns out that bypassing the Amanero bottleneck leads to what Emile describes as improved "boogie."
While I had generally been pleased with the performance of my DAVE with the Extreme, I was, of course, very curious to know just how badly Amanero was holding back the Extreme with this DAC and disappointed that this large-buffer USB chipset was the reason the Taiko ASIO USB driver could not be used with the DAVE. To put it simply, it drove me nuts.
As my 2 Chord DAVEs were already highly modified and their warranties already voided, I was not against exploring such a bypass even if it meant sacrificing one of my DAVEs and a small group of us DAVE owners did explore this. Before there was an opportunity to "surgerize" one of our DAVEs, however, Emile, who recently added a DAVE to his growing collection of DACs suggested using a USB-to-SPDIF bridge since entering DAVE via SPDIF would be one way of bypassing its Amanero USB chipset. Because the magic of DAVE lies in feeding this DAC upsampled 705/768kHz PCM material, such a bridge would need to have dual SPDIF (BNC) outputs capable of an aggregate 768kHz bandwidth which is not something you see everyday. Emile figured he would have to design one himself.
Well, it turns out such a USB to dual-BNC bridge expressly designed for Chord DACs already exists and it is currently being manufactured and sold by AudioWise (based in Canada).
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If there is a caveat, this bridge does not utilize XMOS but rather a chipset from a Taiwanese company called C-Media and so this was an initial concern. Would this C-Media chipset be no better than Amanero? I communicated with Dan Mance, who owns AudioWise and he was kind enough to send me a few units for evaluation. To cut to the chase, this USB-to-dual BNC bridge is fantastic and far superior to the Amanero in DAVE. In comparison, DAVE's Amanero sounds slow and bloated and sleepy. As always, YMMV but I believe all of Dan's products come with a money back satisfaction guarantee. Not surprisingly, the quality of the USB cable and the BNCs cables matter but even with inexpensive cables, this bridge is far superior to DAVE's USB input. In my opinion, if you own an Extreme and a Chord DAVE DAC, this bridge is a "must have."
Full disclosure, I have zero financial affiliation with AudioWise.
SRC•DX™ is a revelation for software upscaling: a low RF noise USB to dual-coax S/PDIF (DX) bridge supporting 705.6/768kHz PCM thats fully compatible with FPGA-based upsamplers and high-end music servers. Eschewing a direct USB-to-DAC interface means the DAC's USB receiver chip is turned...audiowise-canada.myshopify.com
There is an Extreme owner with a pretty high end system, who told me that on quiet music passages streaming from Tidal he can hear high frequency noise. He also the original track, and that does not have this high frequency noise.I hope everyone has seen this video and read the AS thread.
Thank You for posting, I sometimes here that Hiz noise on certain tracks on Tidal, specially on well mastered Albums. Back to Roon and It disappeared. Of course with the SQ differences between TAS and Roon.There is an Extreme owner with a pretty high end system, who told me that on quiet music passages streaming from Tidal he can hear high frequency noise. He also the original track, and that does not have this high frequency noise.
So it would seem that Tidal have transitioned from Lossy to Lossless to "Added"
A matter of personal listening taste if the "Added" is enjoyable or not.
Taiko is committed to deliver all source material, either stored or streaming, "as is"
Unfortunately, the USB input in Hugo M Scaler and Blu Mk 2 are also Amanero and so if you have an Extreme and wish to take advantage of the Taiko USB card, Amanero remains involved with these M Scaler devices.Would you suggest an Mscaler user also bypass the mscale’s usb?
Roy, and fellow BNC Bridge adopters: is the use and benefit of the bridge device also predicated on feeding the Dave upsampled source material, e.g. PGGB files to get to the desired 705/768 threshold? I didn't see that explicitly called-out in the various threads, but you guys may take that as a given. Thanks...AudioWise USB to BNC bridge for Chord DAVE owners.
Can I get some advice?
I have an Extreme on order, and I’m currently all digital. Mostly listen to rock, alternative, mixed in with some electronic and classical. No jazz.
I currently have zero albums, but I’m thinking of adding a turntable. Assume money isn’t an issue.
I’m not exactly asking whether a turntable sounds “better” … as I understand many audiophiles would prefer the sound of analog.
What I want to know is … for those with vinyl and an Extreme, how much listening is on each format?
Roy, and fellow BNC Bridge adopters: is the use and benefit of the bridge device also predicated on feeding the Dave upsampled source material, e.g. PGGB files to get to the desired 705/768 threshold? I didn't see that explicitly called-out in the various threads, but you guys may take that as a given. Thanks...
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