The Grid Protector, the EMI Protector and The Allocator By Schnerzinger-In My System and I’m Blown Away

[Zeotrope]

Another HiEndy video has website images from Schnerzinger for the GIGA GUARD, which explained more about how it works. Don’t see the GIGA GUARD on the site anymore…

Also, there is the NEW INNOVATOR, which seems to be like the Allocator, but larger:

NEW INNOVATOR - SCHNERZINGER

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www.schnerzinger.com

There are a lot of products, and a lot of questions… For example, when is it better to connect the Component or Speaker guards, vs treating the room? The Component/Speaker guards seem to work in the same way, but they channel the frequency delay to the specific component directly.

 

[Zeotrope]

From what I gathered from the above:
- the main component (the black box with the antenna) receives the noise/distortion signals.
- a delay is added
- the signal is then broadcast out into the room (in the case of the EMI), or to a processor unit (MULTI-GUARD, COMPONENT, etc.), or into the AC mains (GRID)
“The precisely defined offset between received and re-emitted interference frequencies causes cancelation effects that minimize interfering fields sound impairment, without reducing speed and bandwidth of the audio signal at all. In addition, the functionality of radio-controlled devices is retained.”

The EMI settings:
Bandwidth: Extends or decreases the detection range
Clock: Changes the processing speed
“The rule is: the narrower the bandwidth, the higher the efficiency - the smaller the detection range. The lower the clock rate, the higher the extinction rate - the less interference frequencies are detected.”
Reading between the lines, there are tradeoffs here:
• a wider bandwidth will mean more interference frequencies are detected, but efficiency decreases.
• a lower the clock rate, you get more cancellation but for fewer frequencies.
So you are trading off how wide of an interference frequency bandwidth you want to eliminate, with how effectively you want to eliminate it.

 

[Kingrex]

From what I gathered from the above:
- the main component (the black box with the antenna) receives the noise/distortion signals.
- a delay is added
- the signal is then broadcast out into the room (in the case of the EMI), or to a processor unit (MULTI-GUARD, COMPONENT, etc.), or into the AC mains (GRID)
“The precisely defined offset between received and re-emitted interference frequencies causes cancelation effects that minimize interfering fields sound impairment, without reducing speed and bandwidth of the audio signal at all. In addition, the functionality of radio-controlled devices is retained.”

The EMI settings:
Bandwidth: Extends or decreases the detection range
Clock: Changes the processing speed
“The rule is: the narrower the bandwidth, the higher the efficiency - the smaller the detection range. The lower the clock rate, the higher the extinction rate - the less interference frequencies are detected.”
Reading between the lines, there are tradeoffs here:
• a wider bandwidth will mean more interference frequencies are detected, but efficiency decreases.
• a lower the clock rate, you get more cancellation but for fewer frequencies.
So you are trading off how wide of an interference frequency bandwidth you want to eliminate, with how effectively you want to eliminate it.

Makes total sense. Its sounds like what I thought it was from the start. Hence, I was asking if it would cancel noise that causes humming from the high gain in vinyl. That is almost always airborne. If you're broadcasting a canceling signal, then why wouldn't it diminish hum from RF modulating into vinyl. If it does not, it must be operating in a different frequency range.

The 2 different devices with antenna probably work at different frequencies.

It is an interesting idea to apply a canceling frequency to a power line. AddPower does something of the sort. Better would be a product that only created a opposite and opposing frequency to what it actually there. Not just a random generator. Once I started using a Torus, I could hear the AddPower frequency generator as a veil. It was now making distortions of its own as it had nothing to cancel on the power line. Most any filter is going to eliminate high frequency noise on a power line. What they can not do is impact what is in the air. So the field generating devices from Schnerzinger are interesting in that regard.

 

[Steve williams]

I was getting worried re seeing all of these devices that none of us have heard about such as INNOVATOR, I reached out to Gideon and bottom line is that these are all discontinued products. In fact it says "discontinued in 2023" He said these are all old pictures and Schnerzinger keeps old manuals for users but all current products are on site. Reality is the Allocator is the current version and the photos shown are all discontinued items.

 

[Zeotrope]

Ok great. Yes, I knew the GRID was discontinued but the description of how it works is I’m sure still applicable. That’s why I posted it.
The INNOVATOR was released in 2022, so I assumed it was still in production, but good to know that the Allocator is the latest.

For those interested in how these devices work, the above should be interesting, as it definitely sheds more light on what is happening. In all cases, the black antenna on the main unit is reading the interference frequencies. It then adds a delay and rebroadcasts the signal either into the room, or to a receiver unit, or into the AC line.
There must be a battery inside that is recharged annually, or constantly if you use Mode 1 or 2, which must increase the transmission strength.

If rebroadcasting to another device or into the room, an elevated position for the master unit is beneficial. If sending the signal to the AC line (e.g., GRID), there is no need to elevate the unit.

 

[luca.pelliccioli]

Thanks for your research.

As often happens in this hobby, I strongly recommend that you let your ears be the judge of how to position these devices, in the absence of further details from the manufacturer (which I strongly doubt will be available) or from those who usually install them and are more familiar with them.

I have found that even the GRID Protector IME can perform better when raised off the ground, for example.

 

[Zeotrope]

For sure, on letting our ears be the judge.
But there are room and other constraints, so it’s also helpful to understand at least a bit about how they work. There is no recommendation in the manual to raise the GRID, and that makes sense, as it’s sending its signal into the AC line (must be the same circuit as used for the audio components). This is why you can place it outside the media room:
“The GRID PROTECTOR can also affect the HiFi system very effectively in other places in the house. Used e.g. in the kitchen or at the workplace in the same circuit of the electrical devices there, it can also have a positive influence on the current phase and protective conductor interferences. This effect can extend into the HiFi room.”

I won’t argue with what you hear but the GRID is not broadcasting anything into the room. If I don’t have to raise something, I won’t; nor should we care about how it’s oriented, for example.

 

[luca.pelliccioli]

Good observation.

I’ll keep my unit raised anyhow, no matter how it is supposed to work if my ears are perceiving something so pleasant and enjoyable. Maybe in my own room it detects (why the antenna otherwise?) something and works better in synergy with the other Schnerzy things.
Who knows or who cares, after all. Until there is a smile on face listening to music, that’s the way.

One can always test and hear before deciding, that is my only advice to other owners due to my empirical knowledge.

 

[Zeotrope]

For sure. Did you plug your GRID into the first slot of the Allocator?
Perhaps there is less noise coming through the cord to the Allocator if the GRID is elevated.

 

[luca.pelliccioli]

I have 2 racks, one on the front and the other on the side wall. The GRID is plugged into a Gryphon PowerZone 3.10 (which is not a conditioner) that feeds amp and DAC, on the front wall. It is incredibly boosting all the wonderful qualities already provided by the PZ itself. See my posts above in this thread.
The Allocator is feeding the other components on the side wall.

 

[Steve williams]

I have to agree with Luca on this. And also @vinyl_mike for suggesting these little speaker mounts. I did not change their position in the room but merely elevated them with definite improvement in what I heard

My other perception is that the improvement continued over several days until a ready state has no been reached

 

[Zeotrope]

Steve, if they transmit they require elevation. So the EMI and MULTI should be elevated.
The GRID doesn’t transmit anything.

Science and how things work must also play a role. Our brains alone are not always the best judge. Just my POV.

 

[Steve williams]

I still really don't care why or how as it's above my pay grade. For me it's the visceral pleasure they instill into my system, so it's all good