The Grid Protector, the EMI Protector and The Allocator By Schnerzinger-In My System and I’m Blown Away

[Jazzjunkie]

So you're saying that the Schumann resonators could remain? Sorry I'm confused.

I think we agree that what you hear rules, so I recommend to try in practice.
But in theory, as long as you don’t have various Schumann or other resonators of different manufacturers in place which could be too much on a common frequency, I’d say yes, they can remain (theoretically). They won’t interfere with the Schnerzinger equipment in terms of overcompensation as newer Schnerzinger equipment only acts on existing noise.

Regarding Schumann resonators together with Schnerzinger Giga Cancelling, I assume Schnerzinger would also recommend to try by ear, what you like best and to repeat that with progressing use of Giga Cancelling devices. At the end you might prefer Schnerzinger only but inbetween there might be other phases. I just think it’s counter productive to use other devices with various fix HF noise suppression together with Schnerzinger, as you then have the disadvantages of the other devices paired with lesser efficiency of the Schnerzinger devices in this case due to overlapping.

 

[Frankie67]

Understood now, thanks. Yes, of course, our own ears always lead.

 

[MarkusBarkus]

No, simplified spoken in my own words

...you write "no" but then re-state what I wrote. Which is fine...I won't press for facts you don't have. No worries. Thank you. Carry on.

 

[Jazzjunkie]

...you write "no" but then re-state what I wrote. Which is fine...I won't press for facts you don't have. No worries. Thank you. Carry on.

Sorry, I may have misunderstood you. I said no to what I thought you meant (that the Schnerzinger devices continue to send out waves) and tried to explain how it is in fact (they don’t send out waves).

But it could be that you meant the devices which produce the noise. Then please ignore my „no“ ;-)

The noisy devices certainly continue to send out their noisy waves. Schnerzinger gear continuously catches them with the antennas and cancels them inside the units, so as you said, the environment is more or less free of the noisy waves, which are somehow „sucked“ into the Schnerzinger devices.

 

[dbeau]

Sorry, I may have misunderstood you. I said no to what I thought you meant (that the Schnerzinger devices continue to send out waves) and tried to explain how it is in fact (they don’t send out waves).

But it could be that you meant the devices which produce the noise. Then please ignore my „no“ ;-)

The noisy devices certainly continue to send out their noisy waves. Schnerzinger gear continuously catches them with the antennas and cancels them inside the units, so as you said, the environment is more or less free of the noisy waves, which are somehow „sucked“ into the Schnerzinger devices.

@Jazzjunkie you speak as if very knowledgeable or a representative of Shnerzinger - are you?
Just trying to assess the confidence to put into what these devices would do in my home.
I have reached out to Gideon yesterdy but no response yet. Thx

 

[Jazzjunkie]

@Jazzjunkie you speak as if very knowledgeable or a representative of Shnerzinger - are you?
Just trying to assess the confidence to put into what these devices would do in my home.
I have reached out to Gideon yesterdy but no response yet. Thx

Thanks but no, I’m not, I’m just a long time user who talked to them a few times already as I had similar questions as you all have ;-) I strongly assume you will get feedback from Gideon soon, as all involved usually care a lot about their customers.

 

[Frankie67]

I just realized that I also have a couple Schumann resonators in my room which I placed may years ago. Could they possibly interfere with the Schnerzinger products?

Great news!

Happy to report that, after moving the Stein Harmonizers out of the room, my headache has now disappeared!

I have kept the two Schumann resonators as in my system they are completely neutral.

I have now added four Multiguards and the EMI and my system has never sounded so good!

As much as I now want to test the cables.... More to come...

 

[Steve williams]

I’m happy to read that yet some one else has discovered these Schnerzinger devices. Until one has them in their system everything sounds voodoo to everyone reading this thread. For my ears my system cannot ever be without them. My set of 5 multi guards are still about 2 weeks out. I look forward to the ongoing change for the better in my system

I also feel that competing systems serve no good service in the overall benefit.

 

[57Uli]

With the large number of Schnerzinger GIGA CANCELING products, the question arose as to which products were best to invest in first. Schnerzingers answer at the time was that it would be more effective to cover each of the three areas POWER, COMPONENT and ROOM with at least one device than to use several devices for only one area.
Even beyond that, every further step is worthwhile. After I had comprehensively addressed the areas of ROOM, POWER and also the new LAN area, I decided last year to use a speaker amp guard (SAG) for my monos and my speakers in addition to my existing component guard.
Of course, I had expected a clear improvement, otherwise I wouldn't have invested the money. Nevertheless, the result had shocked me. I simply had to send a euphoric customer review to Schnerzinger, which has since been published on their website.

In order to clarify the expansion stage of the SAG suitable for my system, I had spoken to the Schnerzinger consulting service. In this conversation, I learned about a new product for the first time: the Schnerzinger fuses for the fuse box. I had no doubt about the new recommendation and had ordered the fuse including fuse holder. Since I have had a fuse holder and a fuse for my dedicated Hi-Fi circuit for 20 years instead of the usual circuit breaker and the new fuse holder has the same dimensions, I might have been able to do the assembly myself. But I preferred to have the work in the fuse box carried out by a specialist.

Until you experience it yourself, you may find it hard to believe. The result was stunningly fierce: the music inspired with much more energy in the room. In addition to the already expected sound improvements in terms of naturalness and spatiality, the music actually appears noticeably louder with the same volume setting.
The system is in my living room and the large TV also runs on the Schnerzinger power distribution system. And my wife immediately noticed that the TV picture had improved. Clearer, with stronger colors and more plastic, i.e. the foreground stands out more clearly compared to the background. How nice that my wife noticed this without being asked, voluntarily and quite enthusiastically.
What a pleasure!

 

[Steve williams]

wow. and that rabbit hole gets deeper still

 

[Steve williams]

With the large number of Schnerzinger GIGA CANCELING products, the question arose as to which products were best to invest in first. Schnerzingers answer at the time was that it would be more effective to cover each of the three areas POWER, COMPONENT and ROOM with at least one device than to use several devices for only one area.
Even beyond that, every further step is worthwhile. After I had comprehensively addressed the areas of ROOM, POWER and also the new LAN area, I decided last year to use a speaker amp guard (SAG) for my monos and my speakers in addition to my existing component guard.
Of course, I had expected a clear improvement, otherwise I wouldn't have invested the money. Nevertheless, the result had shocked me. I simply had to send a euphoric customer review to Schnerzinger, which has since been published on their website.

In order to clarify the expansion stage of the SAG suitable for my system, I had spoken to the Schnerzinger consulting service. In this conversation, I learned about a new product for the first time: the Schnerzinger fuses for the fuse box. I had no doubt about the new recommendation and had ordered the fuse including fuse holder. Since I have had a fuse holder and a fuse for my dedicated Hi-Fi circuit for 20 years instead of the usual circuit breaker and the new fuse holder has the same dimensions, I might have been able to do the assembly myself. But I preferred to have the work in the fuse box carried out by a specialist.

Until you experience it yourself, you may find it hard to believe. The result was stunningly fierce: the music inspired with much more energy in the room. In addition to the already expected sound improvements in terms of naturalness and spatiality, the music actually appears noticeably louder with the same volume setting.
The system is in my living room and the large TV also runs on the Schnerzinger power distribution system. And my wife immediately noticed that the TV picture had improved. Clearer, with stronger colors and more plastic, i.e. the foreground stands out more clearly compared to the background. How nice that my wife noticed this without being asked, voluntarily and quite enthusiastically.
What a pleasure!

My entire sound room has 12 dedicated lines all on circuit breakers. I understand that Scchnerzinger makes product for such a system however I can only imagine the cost of each x 12

 

[57Uli]

My entire sound room has 12 dedicated lines all on circuit breakers. I understand that Scchnerzinger makes product for such a system however I can only imagine the cost of each x 12

I'm glad to have only ONE dedicated circuit for my hi-fi system. So, all my devices (and the TV) benefit from this one top fuse. And that gives this tuning measure an absolutely worthwhile price/performance ratio.

 

[Steve williams]

I'm glad to have only ONE dedicated circuit for my hi-fi system. So, all my devices (and the TV) benefit from this one top fuse. And that gives this tuning measure an absolutely worthwhile price/performance ratio.

It might very well be that the one circuit is filled with so many devices. Hence the great result you’re getting. I know there are USA versions to this but having 12 dedicated lines in my system makes my head spin with anticipated cost

 

[Jazzjunkie]

It might very well be that the one circuit is filled with so many devices. Hence the great result you’re getting. I know there are USA versions to this but having 12 dedicated lines in my system makes my head spin with anticipated cost

Given the importance of good fuses, what’s the benefit of so many separate lines except for the two power amps and maybe the subs?

 

[Steve williams]

I have a lot of electronics. All mine are dual mono dual power supply.No ground loops

 

[Steve williams]

Given the importance of good fuses, what’s the benefit of so many separate lines except for the two power amps and maybe the subs?

I don’t use subs in my room. No need. I have phono stage dual mono dual power supply. Preamp dual mono dual power supply, amps dual mono dual power supply, DAC, Taiko Olympus, Taiko IO, NAS, Schnerzinger Allocator, EMI and Grid , Studer tape Deck, Doshi tape pre and TechDas AF1 controller.

Having said this I now have all front end gear in ALLOCATOR. Also awaiting delivery of a set of 5 Multiguards

 

[Jazzjunkie]

I see.
I just thought it’s probably due to high power and fuse rating demand of single components but that this might only apply to power amps, not pre or phono amps etc.. But if you have all front end gear in the allocator now, you’d just need one fuse for them and a few more for the power amps.
However if then star concept of power distribution and bidirectional barrier of the Allocator and therefore also power amps plugged into the Allocator is more advantageous or not, is certainly a matter of trying out.

But you seem to have even more than 10 front end gear plugs to find a place for ;-)
So a try to just put the currently relevant front end gear together with the power amps into the allocator might be interesting. I bet with a better fuse than you would afford for the 12 lines, this could possibly even sound better.

 

[Steve williams]

I see.
I just thought it’s probably due to high power and fuse rating demand of single components but that this might only apply to power amps, not pre or phono amps etc.. But if you have all front end gear in the allocator now, you’d just need one fuse for them and a few more for the power amps.
However if then star concept of power distribution and bidirectional barrier of the Allocator and therefore also power amps plugged into the Allocator is more advantageous or not, is certainly a matter of trying out.

But you seem to have even more than 10 front end gear plugs to find a place for ;-)
So a try to just put the currently relevant front end gear together with the power amps into the allocator might be interesting. I bet with a better fuse than you would afford for the 12 lines, this could possibly even sound better.

You might be right. However my amps can’t go into Allocator. Only front end gear as the Allocator’s on the side as is all front end gear plus at some point one has to ask what is the return on Investment because at some point there comes the point of Diminishing Returns. Plus I just ordered Zellaton speakers

 

[Jazzjunkie]

Sure, that’s comprehensible.

 

[57Uli]

It's easy to understand that a fuse is a bottleneck, especially when it comes to a typical requirement of high-performance amplifiers – rapid dynamic load changes up to the highest current peaks.
As far as I understand the Schnerzinger technology, the formatting processes of atomic bonding enable dramatic progress here.

But this alone cannot explain the actual effects. The significant improvement in my TV picture indicates that all devices that operate behind this fuse are benefiting.
I have heard that there are hi-fi maniacs who, despite the danger and inadmissibility of this measure, have bridged their fuse as a test in order to switch off the system-immanent bottleneck fuse. However, they have not achieved the superior effect of the best high-end fuses.

So, I suspect that the short path of the current through my formatted fuse not only eliminates the bottleneck of the conduction capability, but at the same time gives the current a structure or an order that is at least partially preserved on its further way to the devices and unfolds a beneficial effect.
But that's just my (speculative) assumption.

My last year was the most active (and expensive) in many years in terms of hi-fi. After my important system switch 2023 to my current source and due to the surprisingly great progress with the SAG and the fuse in 2024, I enjoy my hobby so much again that at the end of the year I also changed my older Schnerzinger cables for the current top models. Especially with the speaker cable, I had repeatedly delayed this step, as these cables are by far the most expensive. But now the time had come.

Schnerzinger had always told me that within his portfolio, the cables form the basis, i.e., the greatest potential for improvement. I am so glad that I have now made this investment. In fact, the procurement of this speaker cable is by far the most important of all individual measures in terms of sound.

And at least for Steve, this would even be a cheap measure – compared to procuring 12 fuses...