The Grid Protector, the EMI Protector and The Allocator By Schnerzinger-In My System and I’m Blown Away

[57Uli]

Great post. You articulated perfectly. Which level Schnerzinger cables do you use

I agree about the synergy . I found that each time I introduced another of their products the synergy which resulted was greater than
1+1 =2 but rather 1+1>2

At the end of last year, I upgraded to the current Resolution series, to the highest level.

I also had Schnerzinger cables before, but I still had the top model of the over 10-year-old series with the speaker cable. With the interconnect the leap was not so big, there I had the top model of the TS series, the direct predecessor of the Resolution series.

 

[Zeotrope]

Very well stated. For those who have never heard these devices the best thing is to test them in your system. In my system they have become a permanent part of the system. Simply put I cant listen without them . There is such an change to the music and such an ease of presentation that everything becomes so much more real

Thank you for your early post about this. Had I not read it, I would not have bought them!

 

[57Uli]

Having added 4 MULTI GUARDS to my GRID and EMI Protectors (and Allocator), I followed your suggestion and changed the setting both on GRID and EMI. I confirm the improvement in sound, now more accurate and organic. I even set them to “0’ and consequently all the SMPSs were completely removed (also from the Master).

I’d appreciate your feedback about your GRID and EMI complete settings, I’m curious.

I also ordered 4 Schnerzinger sockets (to be mounted on the wall surface - externally - they should fit better my existent PVC pipes dedicated lines). I use circuit magnet breakers in my dedicated panel without fuses, so can’t upgrade that way.

I’ve also seen you have 6 MULTi GUARDS, (not standard 4 pack) so I’m curious… which ones and where did you place them? When you say to place the Master in the center of the room, what do you mean exactly, in the middle on the front or side wall or what else?

Thanks in advance, you are probably the Schnerzy veteran in this group (and the one closer to their headquarters!)

I have the older GRID model and 6 multi guards (4 phase, 1 earth and 1 room). The new model differs, for example, in that you can increase the corresponding performance via the phase and earth switches. This is not possible with my model. However, this disadvantage of the old model is well compensated for by the larger number of my multi guards.

My hi-fi system is in my living room. The space also includes the dining room and kitchen. In Germany we have a 3-phase electricity system. I placed all the multi guards in this room, covering all phases as well as the entire room – taking into account the effect of the protective shield of about 3 meters around each multi guard. To do this, I had examined each socket for its phase and made a drawing of my room on the computer.
The master is not exactly in the middle of the room. It's on my coffee table in the living room, between my listening position and the system. The only important thing is that all multi guards can communicate with it and that obviously works.

 

[jasond]

Just to get the understanding right: can the multiguards work with the Grid protector? Or is there a new, own device needed?!

 

[Steve williams]

Just to get the understanding right: can the multiguards work with the Grid protector? Or is there a new, own device needed?!

I ordered Multiguards and have the Grid and EMI protector and the Allocator, so tio answer your question all of these work together as a system and as we have all stated the synergy with each adds yet an even better sound

 

[57Uli]

Just to get the understanding right: can the multiguards work with the Grid protector? Or is there a new, own device needed?!

The first step is to have a GRID protector. When you have a GRID (necessary prerequisite, no matter what version), you can use multi guards.

 

[luca.pelliccioli]

MULTI GUARDS also have their own little black box with antenna, called Master. So you add 4 or more plugs and a box.

They make sense as a second step once you already have the GRID protector installed. The effect is cumulative and you might need to “lower” the GRID settings to fine tune the general performance, because they work on phase and earth too.

 

[Steve williams]

MULTI GUARDS also have their own little black box with antenna, called Master. So you add 4 or more plugs and a box.

They make sense as a second step once you already have the GRID protector installed. The effect is cumulative and you might need to “lower” the GRID settings to fine tune the general performance, because they work on phase and earth too.

Gideon is sending me a loaner pair of Zellaton Plural Evos until my Reference Ultra is ready to ship. He’s coming to help install them. When he’s here we will fine tune the adjustment switches on all the boxes

 

[Audioarts]

What I really enjoy about representing Schnerzinger is that it’s premised on subjective tastes in audio and the variables of different environments and equipment.
On this point, I discovered an article in this month American Scientist titled AUDIO IMMERSION - REPRODUCING THE JOY OF LIVE MUSIC.
“Despite the great advances in quantifying sound quality, engineers are still struggling to satisfy the subjective ways listeners respond to music.”

Nice to see the struggles replete in this forum, validated by an academic journal. In other words, maybe we’re not crazy after all…

 

[Audioarts]

What I really enjoy about representing Schnerzinger is that it’s premised on subjective tastes in audio and the variables of different environments and equipment.
On this point, I discovered an article in this month Scientific American titled AUDIO IMMERSION - REPRODUCING THE JOY OF LIVE MUSIC.
“Despite the great advances in quantifying sound quality, engineers are still struggling to satisfy the subjective ways listeners respond to music.”

Nice to see the struggles replete in this forum, validated by an academic journal. In other words, maybe we’re not crazy after all…

 

[microstrip]

What I really enjoy about representing Schnerzinger is that it’s premised on subjective tastes in audio and the variables of different environments and equipment.
On this point, I discovered an article in this month American Scientist titled AUDIO IMMERSION - REPRODUCING THE JOY OF LIVE MUSIC.
“Despite the great advances in quantifying sound quality, engineers are still struggling to satisfy the subjective ways listeners respond to music.”

Nice to see the struggles replete in this forum, validated by an academic journal. In other words, maybe we’re not crazy after all…

Just a small correction - you are addressing American Scientist, not Scientific American.

Although Disney Fantasia is considered a benchmark of immersive sound in 1940, immersive sound has been particularly active since the 1980's, using digital signal processing. I am curious about this article and will surely read it with interest.

However, looking at the work of John G. Beerends, that focused on objective measurement of the quality of human perception and loudspeaker design, and particularly on his connections with AES I think he will consider we are really crazy!

 

[Audioarts]

The first step is to have a GRID protector. When you have a GRID (necessary prerequisite, no matter what version), you can use multi guards.

I would agree with your recommendation of starting with the Grid/EMI because it creates such a convincing sonic foundation and blueprint for what Schnerzinger does so well. Then build upon with Allocator, Multiguards and treating each source individually with cleaners. Sometimes clients start with wiring so there’s no hard and fast rule, but whether wiring or devices, every Schnerzinger product brings to the table so much fine resolution, natural color with incredibly low noise floor and such incredible purity.

A common observation with clients is the ability to now listen at lower levels, as so much more musical information is retrieved with Schnerzinger, obviating the need to raise the volume in order to be immersed.

 

[jasond]

That sounds amazing!
I get the Power Grid and EMI protector next week to test finally. And will also be looking at the wall socket and fuses for the home installation once available.
Still don’t know how much the Allocator then in addition might improve things to my Audioquest Niagara 5000 but might compare that too later on.

I have to admit even in times of massive radio, WiFis, digital, devices etc. I obviously underestimated the effect of electronic car charges, photovoltaic stations, geothermal heat pump systems and many more that impact the power transmission to your home.
Will be exciting to see what Schnerzinger can do in that challenging environment.

 

[Steve williams]

That sounds amazing!
I get the Power Grid and EMI protector next week to test finally. And will also be looking at the wall socket and fuses for the home installation once available.
Still don’t know how much the Allocator then in addition might improve things to my Audioquest Niagara 5000 but might compare that too later on.

I have to admit even in times of massive radio, WiFis, digital, devices etc. I obviously underestimated the effect of electronic car charges, photovoltaic stations, geothermal heat pump systems and many more that impact the power transmission to your home.
Will be exciting to see what Schnerzinger can do in that challenging environment.

Im no expert but the Schnerzinger is an entire system and IIRC they don't like using competing technologies. However I think Luca does use Schnerzinger plus something else and he is very happy

as Gideon stated each addition lowers the noise and sound floor to produce sound that you wont believe is coming from your system

 

[Zeotrope]

I am using the GRID and EMI (and soon the MULTI) with a Shunyata Denali, Typhon and Altaira grounding system.
Each does their thing. Shunyata is focused on filtering and absorbing noise. No caps, no signal degradation. Schnerzinger is focused on canceling.
I see no reason why they are not compatible. Multiple approaches to tame the beasts!

 

[57Uli]

I am using the GRID and EMI (and soon the MULTI) with a Shunyata Denali, Typhon and Altaira grounding system.
Each does their thing. Shunyata is focused on filtering and absorbing noise. No caps, no signal degradation. Schnerzinger is focused on canceling.
I see no reason why they are not compatible. Multiple approaches to tame the beasts!

Schnerzinger does not use filters at all. It is a fundamental and essential part of its philosophy not to limit the bandwidth and thus the speed of signal transmission under any circumstances. This applies to all products, including the power distribution system (e.g. fuse, socket, Allocator, power cables).
It's great that GRID and EMI deliver good results in your system. I can imagine that the synergy effect will be stronger the more consistently the Schnerzinger principles are pursued.

 

[Zeotrope]

I never said Schnerzinger uses filters.

The “bandwidth limiting” aspect is not unique to Schnerziner, to be fair. Shunyata products don’t limit bandwidth or affect speed either. This is not (in my view) what makes Schnerzinger unique.

 

[57Uli]

I never said Schnerzinger uses filters.

The “bandwidth limiting” aspect is not unique to Schnerziner, to be fair. Shunyata products don’t limit bandwidth or affect speed either. This is not (in my view) what makes Schnerzinger unique.

Sorry, I don't know how your Shunyata products work. You wrote "Shunyata is focused on filtering...". When I read the word filtering, I assumed the use of filters to limit bandwidth. So please forget my comment, if your Shunyata products do not limit bandwith.

 

[Zeotrope]

Sorry, I don't know how your Shunyata products work. You wrote "Shunyata is focused on filtering...". When I read the word filtering, I assumed the use of filters to limit bandwidth. So please forget my comment, if your Shunyata products do not limit bandwith.

Sorry, bad choice of words on my part.

The big advantages of Shunyata AC distributors are:
1) Blocking noise generated by components. Components generate noise and put it back into the AC line, it's not just external noise that needs to be eliminated.

2) Additional current delivery

3) Noise absorption:
The NIC™ (Noise Isolation Chamber) is a patented technology that reduces high frequency power line noise.
NICs™ use a non-reactive ferroelectric substance that actually absorbs high frequency noise. This reduces noise without any of the negatives associated with power filter coils, capacitors and transformers.

Yes, it's marketing; but I don't think it's exaggerated.

 

[Jazzjunkie]

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3) Noise absorption:
The NIC™ (Noise Isolation Chamber) is a patented technology that reduces high frequency power line noise.
NICs™ use a non-reactive ferroelectric substance that actually absorbs high frequency noise. This reduces noise without any of the negatives associated with power filter coils, capacitors and transformers.

Yes, it's marketing; but I don't think it's exaggerated.

Yes, marketing. In my understanding any technology that doesn’t absorb just the identified existing noise frequencies but „a range“ or „everything above a certain frequency“ either low pass filters (also non noise parts of the high frequency spectrum) or absorbs a range bigger or smaller than actually necessary. Anything else doesn’t make sense logically.

In another context Shunyata writes, they also use „The QR/BB™ module“ that „possesses the ability to act as an electric charge reservoir, meaning it stores and releases energy in a manner that improves a component’s access to instantaneous current.“

To store and release energy is exactly what a capacitor does including the negatives in terms of signal transmission speed.

The difference with Schnerzinger is that they cancel the exact existing noise frequencies only, no assumed range, no low pass scenario.