The Grid Protector, the EMI Protector and The Allocator By Schnerzinger-In My System and I’m Blown Away

[Kingrex]

I live near radio towers and would purchase a device for health reasons. But I have yet to see any manufacturer or dealer validation of claims on this thread related to what these devices technically do. So far its only audiophile making broad claims. Some contradicting others. Some that seem impossible. Like, absorbing RF from the air????? Did I read that right in post 430. I don't believe that is possible. Maybe if the manufacturer publisbed they were doing as such.

Which begs the question. Can anyone post a technical paper describing what each device is trying to do. I'm not asking to know the technology. I would like to know if there is any manufacturer literature that says something such as, sensing wave frequency in the air. Creating a opposing and canceling frequency and amplitude to null the environmental impulse in the space.
I believe Jazzjunkie said he talked on the phone years ago and was told as such. If its so easy to describe, why not publish the basic premise.
Sure sure, its sounds great in your listening room. Not arguing that. But claims its a impulse in the room that is safe. And maybe a step further to its reducing a potential environmental toxin of energy waves polluting ones person space. It would be nice to see the manufacturer publish some sort of general understanding of what the device is doing.

 

[Steve williams]

I gave up second guessing as your question has been posed here by countless others. Many of the disbelievers became owners and have stated like me, they just don’t care. The only thing important is what they do to the sound. Frankly I can’t be without them.

My set of 5 multi guards are arriving in the next few weeks. I won’t be able to test them until I have speakers. I’m told I have a set of Plural Evos inbound to fill the gap until my Reference Ultras arrive. So stay tuned for my impressions. I know Luca Pelliccioii uses the Multi Guards and he soeaks very highly of them

At some point I just gave up caring as to their mode of action. . It was the listening that was all important and these really are positive since I’ve had them in my system

 

[luca.pelliccioli]

Call Mr.Dirk Klocke, the owner:
+49 (231) 13 38 50 15

 

[Steve williams]

Luca IIRC you were the biggest disbeliever and had serious concerns about those antennas but now you are just loving the sound which for me is all that counts

 

[luca.pelliccioli]

Yes I am a believer now, Steve.

All my initial doubts and concerns are gone because:
- I got answers to my questions from the manufacturer (I mean directly from people who are managing the brand and/or who are representing it) = my questions could be different from others’
- I tested at home in my system the products before buying them

 

[aangen]

After three weeks of using my Grid Protector, I noticed a bump on my forehead. It grew slowly at first but after a few weeks it turned into a giant blob, right on my forehead! I am pretty certain it was caused by the Grid Protector. The weird thing is, every day my audio system sounds better than the day before.

I was in the bathroom last night, looking at the big blob on my forehead. "What is that thing?" I said.
"It started out as a pimple on my butt" the Blob replied.

Measurements. Ha!

 

[Jazzjunkie]

Creating an opposing and canceling frequency and amplitude to null the environmental impulse in the space.

No, they said and probably also wrote somewhere, that their Giga Canclling devices don’t send out anything, they virtually absorb the interference within a certain radius of the environment.

As Luca suggested, as long as you don’t find the information you need online, try to contact them by mail or phone.

 

[Zeotrope]

Yes, they have a way to act on the exact problem frequencies and amplitudes only. That’s imo one of the main selling points of their latest Giga Cancelling Technology and possibly a bit hidden in the technical explanations or FAQ. They very well know the „other“ technologies and experimented with them several years before it since some time is present in high end business. They really seem to lead this whole field of measures by miles. Just ask them or their distributors or dealers in the know.

I explained how this works earlier in the thread, with information from Schnerzinger's website. They are in fact cancelling EMI/RFI and AC noise by copying and delaying what they are picking up. So it very much is cancelling what is in the room and on the AC lines by repeating it with a delay that (should) cancel most of it out, assuming they are setup correctly.

 

[Zeotrope]

Sorry, I may have misunderstood you. I said no to what I thought you meant (that the Schnerzinger devices continue to send out waves) and tried to explain how it is in fact (they don’t send out waves).

But it could be that you meant the devices which produce the noise. Then please ignore my „no“ ;-)

The noisy devices certainly continue to send out their noisy waves. Schnerzinger gear continuously catches them with the antennas and cancels them inside the units, so as you said, the environment is more or less free of the noisy waves, which are somehow „sucked“ into the Schnerzinger devices.

No, that's not how it works. Please read the Schnerzinger site clearly and my earlier posts.

 

[Zeotrope]

I have been meaning to post about my initial impressions with the EMI and GRID but just have not had the time. I'll do so briefly now, as I still don't have much time.

First, I can't spend this kind of money without knowing how and why something works. The Schnerzinger website does, or did, have more content about this, which I have posted about in this thread. The components absolutely do send out cancelling waves and signals, into the room and into the AC line (depending on the product). They cancel by repeating what the antennas pickup and emitting again with a delay. That delay is adjustable, as is the strength of the transmission. Schnerzinger has made this quite clear so it should not be up for debate

Second, the installation instructions are VERY clear. They are short and to the point, pay close attention to their instructions on where to place and what settings are preferred. The instructions are NOT the same for every product they make. Don't assume that the GRID placement instructions are the same for the EMI for example.

AC wall wart power: since Schnerzinger recommends NOT connecting the AC wall warts and if you do, they recommend they be on a different circuit, and since I only have one circuit in the room, I did not connect the wall warts. I'm very happy with the results and see no need to add noisy AC to DC power supplies (which again is not recommended by the company and I'm sure their recommendation to put them on a different circuit is because they add noise).

I played the same 3 tracks from my Taiko Extreme while I tried each switch position.
What I found was:
- more "right sized" instruments and vocals. A cello did not sound taller than a cello should. Female vocals were at a realistic height.
- clearer highs without added 'hiss' (but not at all switch positions)
- more of sense that the musicians are in the room
- I am temporarily using a ~$300 XLR cable between my ~$200k Nagra Reference Pre-Amp and Reference Power Amps. The Schnerzinger products made this cheap cable sound like a $50k cable. Really interesting.

In all but one case, I found that position II made the sound worse. e.g., GRID Phase II made the sound duller, with more noise from the highs (e.g., cymbal 'hiss' was more pronounced). GRID Earth II made the music slower, almost like the musicians were sleepy.

Here are the settings I am using:
EMI: Bandwidth I / Clocking II
GRID: Phase I / Earth 0

Overall, voices are properly centered and 'right-sized'. I can hear Norah Jones' voice reverberating off the studio walls! Incredibly clarity!

A really big ancillary surprise was that image quality is significantly improved. I use my media room for movies as well. Keep in mind that my video system is already very low noise, with a modified Apple TV "X", powered by a Denali 6000/v2 and Ethernet from a Taiko Router and Switch. My JVC 25LTD projector and Lumagen 5348 (the reduced jitter model) are also powered from the same Denali, with the Lumangen powered by a linear power supply. So I was not expecting any further reduction in noise. The Schnerzinger GRID and EMI eliminated the small but noticeable amount of noise in the picture that looked like film grain. It basically makes it look like a large flat panel display!

I am awaiting the MULTI-GUARD system as well. Will post impressions when it's here and installed.

Overall, the Schnerzinger GRID and EMI are highly recommended. I would go so far as to say they are must haves and are well worth the cost if your system is ~10X the cost of the Schnerzinger components. In other words, I wouldn't hesitate to allocate 10% of my system budget to these products.

 

[Steve williams]

I have been meaning to post about my initial impressions with the EMI and GRID but just have not had the time. I'll do so briefly now, as I still don't have much time.

First, I can't spend this kind of money without knowing how and why something works. The Schnerzinger website does, or did, have more content about this, which I have posted about in this thread. The components absolutely do send out cancelling waves and signals, into the room and into the AC line (depending on the product). They cancel by repeating what the antennas pickup and emitting again with a delay. That delay is adjustable, as is the strength of the transmission. Schnerzinger has made this quite clear so it should not be up for debate

Second, the installation instructions are VERY clear. They are short and to the point, pay close attention to their instructions on where to place and what settings are preferred. The instructions are NOT the same for every product they make. Don't assume that the GRID placement instructions are the same for the EMI for example.

AC wall wart power: since Schnerzinger recommends NOT connecting the AC wall warts and if you do, they recommend they be on a different circuit, and since I only have one circuit in the room, I did not connect the wall warts. I'm very happy with the results and see no need to add noisy AC to DC power supplies (which again is not recommended by the company and I'm sure their recommendation to put them on a different circuit is because they add noise).

I played the same 3 tracks from my Taiko Extreme while I tried each switch position.
What I found was:
- more "right sized" instruments and vocals. A cello did not sound taller than a cello should. Female vocals were at a realistic height.
- clearer highs without added 'hiss' (but not at all switch positions)
- more of sense that the musicians are in the room
- I am temporarily using a ~$300 XLR cable between my ~$200k Nagra Reference Pre-Amp and Reference Power Amps. The Schnerzinger products made this cheap cable sound like a $50k cable. Really interesting.

In all but one case, I found that position II made the sound worse. e.g., GRID Phase II made the sound duller, with more noise from the highs (e.g., cymbal 'hiss' was more pronounced). GRID Earth II made the music slower, almost like the musicians were sleepy.

Here are the settings I am using:
EMI: Bandwidth I / Clocking II
GRID: Phase I / Earth 0

Overall, voices are properly centered and 'right-sized'. I can hear Norah Jones' voice reverberating off the studio walls! Incredibly clarity!

A really big ancillary surprise was that image quality is significantly improved. I use my media room for movies as well. Keep in mind that my video system is already very low noise, with a modified Apple TV "X", powered by a Denali 6000/v2 and Ethernet from a Taiko Router and Switch. My JVC 25LTD projector and Lumagen 5348 (the reduced jitter model) are also powered from the same Denali, with the Lumangen powered by a linear power supply. So I was not expecting any further reduction in noise. The Schnerzinger GRID and EMI eliminated the small but noticeable amount of noise in the picture that looked like film grain. It basically makes it look like a large flat panel display!

I am awaiting the MULTI-GUARD system as well. Will post impressions when it's here and installed.

Overall, the Schnerzinger GRID and EMI are highly recommended. I would go so far as to say they are must haves and are well worth the cost if your system is ~10X the cost of the Schnerzinger components. In other words, I wouldn't hesitate to allocate 10% of my system budget to these products.

Very well stated. For those who have never heard these devices the best thing is to test them in your system. In my system they have become a permanent part of the system. Simply put I cant listen without them . There is such an change to the music and such an ease of presentation that everything becomes so much more real

 

[Kingrex]

I have been meaning to post about my initial impressions with the EMI and GRID but just have not had the time. I'll do so briefly now, as I still don't have much time.

First, I can't spend this kind of money without knowing how and why something works. The Schnerzinger website does, or did, have more content about this, which I have posted about in this thread. The components absolutely do send out cancelling waves and signals, into the room and into the AC line (depending on the product). They cancel by repeating what the antennas pickup and emitting again with a delay. That delay is adjustable, as is the strength of the transmission. Schnerzinger has made this quite clear so it should not be up for debate

Second, the installation instructions are VERY clear. They are short and to the point, pay close attention to their instructions on where to place and what settings are preferred. The instructions are NOT the same for every product they make. Don't assume that the GRID placement instructions are the same for the EMI for

I wasn't buying the idea it magically absorbs waves from the air.

I do wonder what it cancels if TV, phones, radio and electrical devices all function properly. What else is there? Maybe I will write the plant and ask if there is potential for a health benefit.

 

[Steve williams]

I wasn't buying the idea it magically absorbs waves from the air.

I do wonder what it cancels if TV, phones, radio and electrical devices all function properly. What else is there? Maybe I will write the plant and ask if there is potential for a health benefit.

I know Luca was actually worried about a health risk from the antennas but he was reassured when he reached out

 

[jasond]

The two most important products in the Schnerzinger range are Grid & EMI protector - right?

 

[Steve williams]

The two most important products in the Schnerzinger range are Grid & EMI protector - right?

I think so but it seems that there is an ever growing synergy with them. I have a set of 5 Multi Guards coming that I am anxious to test . The Allocator was also a huge uptick

 

[57Uli]

The two most important products in the Schnerzinger range are Grid & EMI protector - right?

This thread is essentially about these two devices, so you may answer "yes".
With its current giga canceling product portfolio, Schnerzinger addresses four areas: power, component, room and LAN.
The GRID is the start in the power area, the EMI for the room area. MULTI GUARD are the most effective extension for the power sector, they also have an effect on the room sector.
However, the areas component and LAN are also important.
The nice thing is that every measure in one area already enhances the entire system and other measures in other areas can be harmoniously added – pure synergy.

We are looking for the better and emotionally touching music experience. I used to choose cables and other accessories in particular to compensate for supposed existing defects of my system and to get closer to my desired sound. For a long time, goals such as speed and the greatest possible resolution on the one hand and musicality (fatigue-free listening) on the other seemed to be a contradiction. Again and again, progress seemed to be achieved through a new cable or room tuning, because certain favorite pieces now sounded noticeably better. But often the improvement did not affect all pieces of music equally and sometimes some pieces may even sound worse. This may be excused with "poor recording quality".
This path of constant measures of error compensation ultimately led me to a good system, but in retrospect I now understand that some steps led sideways rather than forwards. The path was not straight and not synergistic - too arduous, too long and too expensive.

Schnerzinger has opened up a new world for me, with its cables and later also with the giga canceling solutions (you may also read my posts 414 and 419, possibly 449 and 460 in this thread).
My Opinion:
- The Schnerzinger cables are most important.
- All four giga canceling areas are important.
- All of this works together in a wonderfully synergistic way.

 

[Steve williams]

Great post. You articulated perfectly. Which level Schnerzinger cables do you use

I agree about the synergy . I found that each time I introduced another of their products the synergy which resulted was greater than
1+1 =2 but rather 1+1>2

 

[luca.pelliccioli]

Small note: When you receive the MULTI GUARDS, the overall GRID + MULTI GUARD system is significantly more powerful than the individual GRID. Therefore, it can be advantageous to correct the originally selected switch setting of the GRID downwards. Just try it out!

Having added 4 MULTI GUARDS to my GRID and EMI Protectors (and Allocator), I followed your suggestion and changed the setting both on GRID and EMI. I confirm the improvement in sound, now more accurate and organic. I even set them to “0’ and consequently all the SMPSs were completely removed (also from the Master).

I’d appreciate your feedback about your GRID and EMI complete settings, I’m curious.

I also ordered 4 Schnerzinger sockets (to be mounted on the wall surface - externally - they should fit better my existent PVC pipes dedicated lines). I use circuit magnet breakers in my dedicated panel without fuses, so can’t upgrade that way.

I’ve also seen you have 6 MULTi GUARDS, (not standard 4 pack) so I’m curious… which ones and where did you place them? When you say to place the Master in the center of the room, what do you mean exactly, in the middle on the front or side wall or what else?

Thanks in advance, you are probably the Schnerzy veteran in this group (and the one closer to their headquarters!)

 

[Steve williams]

Luca do I understand that your settings in both GRID and EMI are ll for all

 

[luca.pelliccioli]

They were so, now I’m preferring something different since I added 4 MULTI GUARDS.

I detached the SMPSs from both of them, so they are set to “0”. I also have the Master set to 0 without the SMPS plugged in.

GRID = Phase I - Earth 0
EMI = Bandwidth I or II - Clocking II

The sound is smooth and bass area seems more accurate and clean. Voices are more realistic and detailed. I still have to smoother higher frequencies a little bit. Need more time to fine tune this aspect.

I’ve also moved the EMI on the center of the front wall and placed the GRID on the floor, behind the rack.