The Grid Protector, the EMI Protector and The Allocator By Schnerzinger-In My System and I’m Blown Away

[Zeotrope]

The point of me posting this was not to get into a debate with you or anyone else over effectiveness of the different approaches.
Shunyata is known for its no-BS approach to product communication and it’s an engineering lead company. They sell these to hospitals where they improve imaging, for example.

You are making incorrect assumptions, by assuming that QR-BB “must” be a capacitor, and with the low/high pass filter stuff. It’s not how these devices work.

There is no one best approach. You’re not going to cancel all noise nor are you going to filter all noise - that’s why I think tackling the problem from both ends is best.

 

[jasond]

It will be definitely very interesting to see how the AudioQuest Niagara 5000 compares to the. Allucator. Though like Shunyata or the Gryphon Powerzone - every power conditioner or however it's gonna be called has its approach.
The good thing is that the Schnerzinger outlet, power grid and EMI protector all work independently- and any further add on like Multiguards or Allucator or their fuses will be exciting to see how they change/improve things.

What I still don't understand is how the Power Grid Protector can work a whole year just by being connected 15min to power once a year?!

 

[Steve williams]

Sorry, bad choice of words on my part.

The big advantages of Shunyata AC distributors are:
1) Blocking noise generated by components. Components generate noise and put it back into the AC line, it's not just external noise that needs to be eliminated.

2) Additional current delivery

3) Noise absorption:
The NIC™ (Noise Isolation Chamber) is a patented technology that reduces high frequency power line noise.
NICs™ use a non-reactive ferroelectric substance that actually absorbs high frequency noise. This reduces noise without any of the negatives associated with power filter coils, capacitors and transformers.

Yes, it's marketing; but I don't think it's exaggerated.

I agree with what you say but IMO and its only an opinion but based on having grid, EMI and Allocator in my system I’ve found that the synergy is not 1+1=2 but rather 1+1>2. My point is that I feel you are indeed reaping benefits but I tend to agree with the post above which postulated result “ might” be even better when you go all Schnerzinger. It’s a system with a contribution made by every one of their products

 

[Steve williams]

It will be definitely very interesting to see how the AudioQuest Niagara 5000 compares to the. Allucator. Though like Shunyata or the Gryphon Powerzone - every power conditioner or however it's gonna be called has its approach.
The good thing is that the Schnerzinger outlet, power grid and EMI protector all work independently- and any further add on like Multiguards or Allucator or their fuses will be exciting to see how they change/improve things.

What I still don't understand is how the Power Grid Protector can work a whole year just by being connected 15min to power once a year?!

The GRID comes with a dedicated AC PC and a wall wart. It’s the latter to which they refer

 

[jasond]

The GRID comes with a dedicated AC PC and a wall wart. It’s the latter to which they refer

But they recommend the use of the Power Grid without connecting the power cord - right? It's just difficult to get how a component with no power connection for a year can work energy wise? Because the Power Grid should be active 24/7 and that is also quite energy consuming. So the best battery etc. would be empty after a short while.

 

[Zeotrope]

It will be definitely very interesting to see how the AudioQuest Niagara 5000 compares to the. Allucator. Though like Shunyata or the Gryphon Powerzone - every power conditioner or however it's gonna be called has its approach.
The good thing is that the Schnerzinger outlet, power grid and EMI protector all work independently- and any further add on like Multiguards or Allucator or their fuses will be exciting to see how they change/improve things.

What I still don't understand is how the Power Grid Protector can work a whole year just by being connected 15min to power once a year?!

Fully agree.

Indeed, once a year for 15 min…! It’s obviously charging a battery, or a capacitor . It obviously doesn’t use much power.
Of course, when set to positions I and II, they use continuous 12V power… or perhaps not continuous but more frequent than 15 min per year.
I would love to open one up (but I won’t, they seem well sealed).

Interesting side note:
EMI is the appropriate term for low frequency noise, less than approximately 20 kHz, and RFI is the appropriate term for high frequency electrical noise, greater than 20 kHz.
Wifi for example is on 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz.
I have a small temp sensor (Govee) that broadcasts on Wifi and uses a small 12V 23A cell battery. It lasts about 2 years. So, it does make sense. I’m sure a battery this size would be fully charged in 15 min., as an example.

 

[Steve williams]

But they recommend the use of the Power Grid without connecting the power cord - right? It's just difficult to get how a component with no power connection for a year can work energy wise? Because the Power Grid should be active 24/7 and that is also quite energy consuming. So the best battery etc. would be empty after a short while.

Good point. I have mine on 24x7

 

[microstrip]

(...) Interesting side note:
EMI is the appropriate term for low frequency noise, less than approximately 20 kHz, and RFI is the appropriate term for high frequency electrical noise, greater than 20 kHz.
Wifi for example is on 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz.

Just a small clarification.

EMI is general electromagnetic interference, RFI is radio frequency interference. RFI is a specific type of EMI. Due to the usual mechanisms of interference, we usually associated EMI to frequencies up to the Very Low Frequency (VLF) 30 KHz and RFI from there to Terahertz (THz) Band.

However switching supplies and digital electronics made the situation more confusing. When addressing interference in specific terms we should refer the bandwidth.

I have a small temp sensor (Govee) that broadcasts on Wifi and uses a small 12V 23A cell battery. It lasts about 2 years. So, it does make sense. I’m sure a battery this size would be fully charged in 15 min., as an example.

We must remember that usually this type of sensors only emit for a few milliseconds occasionally - once per minute or less for example. The duty cycle is very low.

 

[Zeotrope]

We must remember that usually this type of sensors only emit for a few milliseconds occasionally - once per minute or less for example. The duty cycle is very low.

Very interesting, thank you.

Indeed, Schnerzinger recommends power level "0" and not connecting the AC 'wall warts' to the units.

EMI Manual:
"Usually the setting is now complete.
But if the base setting is not sufficient for the present interference field spectrum, the permanent connection of the 12V power supply to the grid is required. It should be connected to a power circuit separate from the HiFi system – ideally even to a different power phase."

If I had outlets on a different circuit and could plug them in without making the cords look too ugly, I would try it at Power levels I and II; but I am happy with it at 0.

The info from @microstrip helps illuminate why it can run on battery power for a year.

 

[Steve williams]

Micro is the forum expert on electricity. It has been refreshing to see him posting more often.

 

[luca.pelliccioli]

Since I added the MULTI GUARDS a resetting of GRID and EMI was beneficial IME.

I was using them set to I or II before. I liked them so much more set like that.

Now they are set to 0. It means no wall warts plugged in.

Same realism but much more accuracy in tonal balance and instrument timber especially in low region. The overall improvement is a more convincing representation, coherent and pleasant at the same time.

 

[Audioarts]

I’ll illustrate the point with many recent installs. In practically all cases where the clients have a Grid/EMI only - and selected given settings and were happy, introducing an Allocator and Multiguards forced a reevaluation of those initial settings, but never a drastic one. With the noise floor dropping even further and greater delicacy and refinement, it’s tempting to manifest the greater potential even further, especially if Schnerzinger wires are introduced. But the final settings adjustment remain.

 

[djsina2]

I would love to open one up (but I won’t, they seem well sealed).

Someone needs to open these expensive things up. Might be well sealed for a reason.

 

[aangen]

Inside is a small Mickey Mouse figure, with his middle finger extended.

 

[Steve williams]

Inside is a small Mickey Mouse figure, with his middle finger extended.

That's the antenna on top of the box

 

[gin]

Gideon from Audioarts came today to select settings on my Grid/EMI and we spent time locking in with my new addition Zellaton's (replacing Wilson's). He wanted the Z's to break in before returning to choose final settings with me. He asked me to be patient with the system breaking in which was a tough wait But so glad I waited because the air, dimension, soundscape and midrange came out of nowhere today and it's just too crazy to even describe. It was actually scary the way the entire system changed and I can't explain how these things work. I'm taking off from work tomorrow !! Will post pics soon !!