The Next Room

[Bill Hart]

I had a few more obstacles than Mike. I built rooms within rooms in my basement. We had the forethought to have the ceiling raised to 13' before the house was completed because we knew we would lose ceiling heigth when the acoustial buildout was finished.
Because it was in my basement, I had to install HVAC "mufflers" in the main trunk off from the house. All the ductwork is lined with a dampening material as well.
The lights and 6 outlets use "house" current and the other 30? outlets are from my Equi=tech wall cabinet. I did have the electrical company run another line from the street and used custom 4ga run to the cabinet. Copper rods were placed in the ground about 50' as well.
Yes, the JPS cable is hard to work with, so what we did was crimp/solder gold spades with shrink tubing to the ends and just used the screws on the side of the duplex for connecting. We also had to use larger boxes with plenty of acoustical caulking to plug up the holes. I told the builders to think of these rooms as a submarine or aquarium. If water can leak through... so can sound. I used 27 cases of acoustical caulking to plug up all the holes. I also used about 24 cases of Green Glue. Not only did we use it between drywall sheets, it was also used between every single wood joint. All wood was engineered lumber and put together with screws... Do not use nails!
You will lose about 1/4th of the total volume of the room with bass trapping!

Yikes. Now you are intimidating me! Hopefully, we'll be able to use a freestanding building. If i have to work within the confines of an existing space within a house, that is going to complicate things, but it sounds like you accomplished it. I get the ductwork damping. I assume the copper rods were for grounding, Bruce? And JPS- i'm gonna have to look into that. The lengths to which you went to literally seal the room were, i assume to keep unwanted noise out, as well as to 'soundproof' the room against sound emanating from the listening area/studio? And, for further rigidity/solidity of surfaces, acoustically?
Nails, i guess, move, thus the screws?
On volume, I can't make any meaningful assessment til i get the room but it is good to know how much space i'll have to over-size. The best room i had was one long ago in an old brownstone in Brooklyn Heights. I had real plaster with heavy moldings, and wood lathing (not sure if there was horsehair, but it was like archeology to dig into the wall when we needed to do repairs). I was long, pretty wide, super high ceilings, and old, very wide plank wooden floors. Structurally, all the material in the room was from the late 1880's or 1890's, with updating for electrical, etc. I sealed all the windows with heavy stage curtain type material to block light, because the room doubled as a projection room. The room sounded fabulous with almost no treatment other than what comes with thick rugs and a modest amount of furniture, etc. That was 20 years ago, and my system has changed drastically.
Thank you for the insight Bruce. You and others here are helping me understand the tricks of the trade in a way that I haven't thought about at this depth. I will probably just hand the acoustic person, the electrician and the contractor a print-out of this thread!

 

[Bill Hart]

I would look for the closest thing to a golden ratio as possible for the room dimensions as you are house shopping-- and I would have a 10' ceiling or so. Then life should be really easy on the treatment side of things.

I'd love to move back to Austin, myself!

Exactly. My wife has already been through this drill on a couple levels in the past. The 'room' and of course, the 'garage.' (I'm less into cars these days for a variety of reasons but she's still with me, I am blessed by her tolerance.) I remember once visiting a guy in Pasadena. He said, 'wanna see my train collection?' It was an entire floor, display cases, memorabilia, running miniature train systems, etc. He had thousands of model trains.
I'm not a billionaire, so all of this is going to have to be done within financial reason, but if I get the basics right, I think the rest will fall into place, and i think that's the point you are making. Thanks for that, KeithR.

 

[Bruce B]

The lengths to which you went to literally seal the room were, i assume to keep unwanted noise out, as well as to 'soundproof' the room against sound emanating from the listening area/studio? And, for further rigidity/solidity of surfaces, acoustically?
Nails, i guess, move, thus the screws?
On volume, I can't make any meaningful assessment til i get the room but it is good to know how much space i'll have to over-size.

Yes, we had to build these room because it was within a living space. We've had drummers in there hitting 130dB peaks and you can't hear them upstairs or outside. The neighbors love us!
The way Mike's and mine were built, the acoustical treatments were built within the structure. Except for a few things like drapes/diffusors, bass trapping and such are built within the walls/soffits and are part of the structure. This way you don't have things hanging on the walls looking like an afterthought.
You're on the right track with planning. Ours took 2yr. to build and went WAY over budget at >$300 sq.ft.