Personal discussion with someone today motivated me to seek out this (Finnish) institutional article and video modeling aerosol droplets spreading in a supermarket they were kind enough to provide an alternate English version of.
This Corona Virus Mania is Just Too Much, We All Need to Chill!
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They have not been leading. The reason we are under prepared, is it is clear from his behavior he thought this was a normal flu, nothing to worry about, let's focus on brexit. Now we are on neither.
Rishi Sunak needs to come to power, with Sajid Javid. Both were excellent investment bankers. Irony that India and Pakistan get united ruling UK. It will be a goodness gracious me reality show
Can we pass on yr ultimate level upgrade for a while yet Lol. Give the guy a chance.
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"Tom Jefferson, an epidemiologist and honorary research fellow at the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford, said the findings were 'very, very important.' He told The BMJ, 'The sample is small, and more data will become available. Also, it’s not clear exactly how these cases were identified. But let’s just say they are generalisable. And even if they are 10% out, then this suggests the virus is everywhere. If—and I stress, if—the results are representative, then we have to ask, ‘What the hell are we locking down for?’”
https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1375
https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1375
David,
I believe there are 2 main reasons for this;
1. Fear of the unknown and unstoppable. It's really scary to most people that there's something out there that can kills us with really no way for modern medicine to prevent it. This thinking ignores the stats etc but is normal when you think your like os on the line and nothing can be done about it.
2. Won't know until it's all said and done but this virus seems to put more people quickly into the "serious" category than any of the flu variants.
There are valid reasons for both viewpoints and the postmortem analysis on this will assure new organizations a future they couldn't imagine a couple of years ago.
Beau
Well Ked, in the UK, if you're to believe the govt line, it's purely to manage/regulate numbers and acceleration of numbers to not overwhelm the Nhs. Herd immunity, even if that phrase isn't used anymore, is still the default setting.
So, we manage the stress on the Nhs, so that bodies don't sit in corridors. We gently reopen UK Plc, in a staggered, progressive fashion, and manage swells and spikes on a maximally optimised Nhs. And ongoing deaths become a factor we start to accept as a nation, as long as chaos doesn't reign.
And over the next 12-18 months, 60% of the population get and deal w infection, nationwide testing/tracking/tracing is rolled out, we begin to isolate groups of people in more directed ways, and that vaccine becomes available.
That's really what I'm gleaning...currently the nation w the most successful control is S. Korea, and even there evidence is mounting of new spikes, second wave coming out of Seoul.
We're gonna have to control the first tsunami as we are doing, get our second wind, and then mitigate subsequent smaller waves.
So, we manage the stress on the Nhs, so that bodies don't sit in corridors. We gently reopen UK Plc, in a staggered, progressive fashion, and manage swells and spikes on a maximally optimised Nhs. And ongoing deaths become a factor we start to accept as a nation, as long as chaos doesn't reign.
And over the next 12-18 months, 60% of the population get and deal w infection, nationwide testing/tracking/tracing is rolled out, we begin to isolate groups of people in more directed ways, and that vaccine becomes available.
That's really what I'm gleaning...currently the nation w the most successful control is S. Korea, and even there evidence is mounting of new spikes, second wave coming out of Seoul.
We're gonna have to control the first tsunami as we are doing, get our second wind, and then mitigate subsequent smaller waves.
I don’t know anything about the BMJ but some of the reporting seems to be more of a guess than fact. The calculation of asymptomatic cases isn’t based on testing but rather contact tracking. How reliable is that? Second, we know that some people get very sick (and die) from this. If the virus has been circulating for a longer period of time how come no one died before the Wuhan outbreak? Finally, this sentence doesn’t really say anything ““There can be little doubt that covid-19 may be far more widely distributed than some may believe.” “Little doubt” and “may be”?
Just my read of it.
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I don’t believe that is the case. I am sure there were some incorrect diagnosis at some point but not in large numbers.
“What the current situation boils down to is this: is economic meltdown a price worth paying to halt or delay what is already amongst us?”3
I think this is the bottom line for some. I also think the Chinese version of actual facts have been filtered and cut back.
Like I said this virus acts like ARDS but much faster in progression. If you have ever been physically unable to push air...and I have,it scares the hell out of you. Pandemics progress in five waves...read about the plague in London. Everybody thought it had peaked and then it came back, just like the Spanish flu in 1918...the 3rd wave is the killer.
That's speculative... but it is absolute fact it's occurred, according to CDC testimony to US Congress. How widespread this was and how many deaths it caused in the past is unclear.
It's about chilling while dealing with something beyond our control, the thread is a nice mix of light and serious which most participants seem to enjoy, except you. If you really care about the spirit of the OP then chill out and stop trying to obstruct everyone else. Join the thread joke or share the insider information that you claim no one else has, given how things are you might not get the chance to do so with someone here. Otherwise let us be, it's not your business!
david
I'm giving up drinking for a month.
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I'm giving up. Drinking for a month!
Sorry, bad punctuation.
I'm giving up. Drinking for a month!
I'm having a quarantine party this weekend.
None of you are invited.
None of you are invited.
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