This Corona Virus Mania is Just Too Much, We All Need to Chill!

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NorthStar

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Again, I'm not dismissing it's seriousness just see the fear of and reaction to worse than the virus itself. There are two ways to look at this, number of deaths or number of recoveries. I'm not at peace at home but not because of fear of the virus but fear of what we have to deal with if we burrow in too deep and too long.

There is actual good news too.

https://techstartups.com/2020/03/28...3KjVmu8UvJBGg3g_1Ki93hkkCXtopxIZE9I0fYnWvmroY

david

Al,
We audiophiles we invented social distancing unless of course there was an LP sale somewhere :). We were ahead of our times!

david

The link from your first quote David is worth exploring, it could save my mother right now.

As an audiophile personally it helped me rediscovering the music I truly love.
Social Distancing is something we all do more or less in our lives regardless of a pandemic or not. Now it is paramount, for the survival of our mothers, fathers, grand parents, for my survival (with a heart condition and respiratory issues). I love life and we all do, we all want to live, the over 70 year old and below 70.

God bless all of us ... enjoy the music playing ...
 
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We all know this is no picnic time, all of us we are affected.
We can make jokes no problemo, we can be serious no problemo, we can dance no problemo.

We can do anything and everything, but if we are not healthy all the wealth in the world won't do much @ all for us and our families and friend neighbors.

Right now I can sure use good medical news; so if that article you posted David is worth its weight in gold that would be the closest to best I've heard so far...as in best medical news.
I am on it as I'm typing this ... without extreme prejudice.
 
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i better stay out of this thread or I'll get it shut down again! :p
Looks like you got it licked in HK with very few casualties, do you believe the statistics? Over the hump there or you're worried that it hasn't started yet?

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Here, my friends, is medical news you can use...

Why is this so deadly to elderly patients:


Bob,
The clip you showed is interesting but not surprisingly, there's much more to this issue which is both complex and well known to top renal specialists. A more precise but less sensational description of the issues are here:

http://www.nephjc.com/news/covidace2

The main problem is that it's always difficult to understand co-morbidities without an appropriate clinical trial, so it may be misleading at this point to suggest that discontinuing ARBs in favor or ACE inhibitors is wise. In fact, there is some suggestion that ACE inhibitors can also upregulate ACE2 and furthermore, this may be blunted by the use of simultaneous ARBs! So what to do? Bottom line- we just don't have the information we'd like to have. What is clear is that no matter what you taking for your hypertension, reducing salt intake can only be viewed as helpful. But as far as what anti-hypertensive meds may pre-dispose you to COVID-19, I'll look forward to better data for guidance.

Marty
 

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Looks like you got it licked in HK with very few casualties, do you believe the statistics? Over the hump there or you're worried that it hasn't started yet?

david
We had a very good record here until people started returning from Europe and North America and brought a doubling of our numbers although if you compare similar cities in terms of density and population we still have very few cases. Luckily testing is easily available and we have been all masked up and staying away from each other for months already considering our proximity to China. Fingers crossed. Hope you guys dont have to weather the storm for too long.
 
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Here, my friends, is medical news you can use...

Why is this so deadly to elderly patients:


Can you sum up the video? My life has had a rash of fucking long winded YouTube videos lately... and I don't want my whole day to be watching them.
 

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Yes, but at least we can do our small part in taking social distancing seriously. We're all in this together, and we should act like it.

Would be great if media were reporting on the science and advancements vs the political angle/blame/hysteria. High anxiety not good for anyone, does not help the immune system.

There are other perspectives close to mine on what is going on, this isn’t intended to be political just a POV.

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2020-03-25.html

david

I love Ann Coulter. She has the balls to go on Bill Maher's show in front of a very liberal audience and defend her positions. She's also one of the few that is willing to sit on the panel as well.

Al, yes, I agree. We are all in this together. Sadly, I don't think we act like it though. Just witness the inconsistent news coverage and the intense reactions from people at the mere mention of specific news outlets or those sharing opinions. I wish we could act like we are in this together, respect the information coming out of our leaders and medical experts, and those others willing to share their opinions. Instead, we seem to be locked into our tribes, just as we were before this crisis hit.

I hope we can change our attitudes, listen to and learn more from others. We might even be better for it through this challenging time, and beyond.
 

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Would be great if media were reporting on the science and advancements vs the political angle/blame/hysteria. High anxiety not good for anyone, does not help the immune system.

You just have to look for the right sources.
The ones who still give you fake propaganda news just put them on your computer's ignore for life. Read them occasionally only to remind you how fucked up they are.

Your best bet is from health scientist experts with the most solidest credentials.
In the USA you have such a man. You know his name.
 

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Bob,
The clip you showed is interesting but not surprisingly, there's much more to this issue which is both complex and well known to top renal specialists. A more precise but less sensational description of the issues are here:

http://www.nephjc.com/news/covidace2

The main problem is that it's always difficult to understand co-morbidities without an appropriate clinical trial, so it may be misleading at this point to suggest that discontinuing ARBs in favor or ACE inhibitors is wise. In fact, there is some suggestion that ACE inhibitors can also upregulate ACE2 and furthermore, this may be blunted by the use of simultaneous ARBs! So what to do? Bottom line- we just don't have the information we'd like to have. What is clear is that no matter what you taking for your hypertension, reducing salt intake can only be viewed as helpful. But as far as what anti-hypertensive meds may pre-dispose you to COVID-19, I'll look forward to better data for guidance.

Marty

I get you Marty, the link was meant to be informative, not instructive. I'm not a doctor, I don't even play one on TV. Besides the strong possibility, evidenced by the numbers, that some blood pressure meds might predispose a person to having a more adverse reaction to this virus, the other important fact is just how many underlying conditions exist in the folks who are dying. Wrt the blood pressure meds I expect changing a particular prescription would take a while before the body responded, possibly months.

If ever it is more obvious, the healthier you are going into the hospital, the better the likelihood you'll make it out. If you have a collection of three or four underlying issues, heart disease, hypertension, diabetes—(forgive my value judgement) it is highly likely you've not paid much attention to your health for decades. (Discounting those who drew the short straw genetically.) A lot of the problems in the health care system in any society have to do with treatment of those folks who've neglected their own health and now are looking to the health care system to keep them going. Frequently with no change in lifestyle, just take the prescription and carry on as usual.

Personally, I hate the effort it takes to keep this 62 years old body in reasonable good shape. Some things, like riding my bike, are fun. Other things, like time in the gym and stretching, well, they bore the hell out of me making it hard to have the dicipline to do. Like Jack La Lanne used to say, "I don't particularly like spending 2 hours a day working out, but I like the result." As for me, I still feel like I'm 20 (for about 2 hours a day!)
 
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Can you sum up the video? My life has had a rash of fucking long winded YouTube videos lately... and I don't want my whole day to be watching them.
There appear to be some possible links regarding the use of certain blood pressure medications and the effects of Covid-19 virus. The virus attaches to and enters the cell via certain receptors on the cell, and those receptors are often 2-5 times more prevalent in patients taking a particular class of hypertension drugs.

As is stated in the video (yes, a bit long and tedious) this is preliminary theorizing based on evidence and statistics but robust studies have not been done. Any changes to your medications should ONLY come as a result of discussion with your own health professional.
 

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GG: A contrarian view: “The most rapid form of self-inflicted wealth destruction and restriction of economic liberty we have ever witnessed in a free society... We are destroying our economy and at the same time causing intense psychological distress.”
These writers question whether the cost of the lockdown strategy is worse than the virus, and lament that unelected public health officials “who failed in their duty to protect us from the virus” are now in charge of “solving” the problem.
Donald S. Siegel is foundation professor and director at the School of Public Affairs, Arizona State University. Robert M. Sauer is professor of economics at Royal Holloway, University of London.
We are not denying that there is great merit to social distancing. However, the mandatory aspects of this grand social experiment must be immediately abolished across the world.


https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/It-is...AYdWyrpZjI_ituhMm6dIxebRGEdE14zGG7L5n18X3wFMk
 
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Yes, but at least we can do our small part in taking social distancing seriously. We're all in this together, and we should act like it.
100% Al, this is clearly the way we become among those helping to save lives. The education here has started and awareness campaigns are starting to work.
 

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GG: A contrarian view: “The most rapid form of self-inflicted wealth destruction and restriction of economic liberty we have ever witnessed in a free society... We are destroying our economy and at the same time causing intense psychological distress.”
These writers question whether the cost of the lockdown strategy is worse than the virus, and lament that unelected public health officials “who failed in their duty to protect us from the virus” are now in charge of “solving” the problem.
Donald S. Siegel is foundation professor and director at the School of Public Affairs, Arizona State University. Robert M. Sauer is professor of economics at Royal Holloway, University of London.
We are not denying that there is great merit to social distancing. However, the mandatory aspects of this grand social experiment must be immediately abolished across the world.


https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/It-is...AYdWyrpZjI_ituhMm6dIxebRGEdE14zGG7L5n18X3wFMk
It’s hard to discuss without it getting
political, but for political leaders
of all different persuasions, the fact
that their voters are dying in high numbers will force them into action.
Only totalitarian systems can ignore
that with no consequences.
The big question is how costly will
it be financially and political to not
do all that i possibly, and with countries and economies all around shutting down can you avoid the
financial impact ?
 

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I wish they would institute low risk protocols for at least blood type O. That would free up a lot of fear, especially among medical workers.
 

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There appear to be some possible links regarding the use of certain blood pressure medications and the effects of Covid-19 virus. The virus attaches to and enters the cell via certain receptors on the cell, and those receptors are often 2-5 times more prevalent in patients taking a particular class of hypertension drugs.

As is stated in the video (yes, a bit long and tedious) this is preliminary theorizing based on evidence and statistics but robust studies have not been done. Any changes to your medications should ONLY come as a result of discussion with your own health professional.

Hm, I wouldn't be surprised.

It also is being shown that large doses of vitamin D are not helpful once contracted (whatever large is). They seems to make the person more receptive, so does vitamin A. But vitamin C seems good.
 

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I like how the Chinese cause this, hide it, deny the origin of it, fake their numbers, make the world implode, then start selling large amounts of medical gear to other countries. Classy.
 

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We are not denying that there is great merit to social distancing. However, the mandatory aspects of this grand social experiment must be immediately abolished across the world.

This is not a social experiment. It is a method by which society comes together as a whole for the common good. I guess people could argue that saving lives isn't the common good but I think it is. I am not sure why people are so bothered that for a couple months people depart from their normal lives in order to help avoid a complete medical catastrophe. This is also the time that governments need to provide extraordinary aid to people to help them get through it.
 
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