Dm, can't help, sorry. Entreq is more signal grounding biased. Troy more applicable here. I guess you need to find a tonearm-related chassis screw, or via the tonearm cable. May well be worth investigating.
Dm, can't help, sorry. Entreq is more signal grounding biased. Troy more applicable here. I guess you need to find a tonearm-related chassis screw, or via the tonearm cable. May well be worth investigating.
Hi Spiritofmusic,
Total agree with you! I am taking a system wide approach - I have earthing sorted out for now with my Tripoint signature. Next, I plan to evaluate various Troy and Dalby Earthing cables to see if these truly do make a significant difference in my system and worth the money. I also plan to try some VertexAQ products to see if their Grounding components will work well in conjunction with my Tripoint system with additional benefits. I also have a VertexAQ Hirez Taga on order as well which will get passive filtration via my Lessloss Firewall- Hope to have this in place by Christmas.
Finally, I would like to compare Stillpoints isolation philosophy vs VertexAQs Leading Edge Platform which drains vibrations/noise into the platform labyrinth as opposed to isolating.
Honestly, I don't really care what I use. If it improves my system substantially, I am game. Lets hope we have succeeded in taking the first steps towards world peace!!!![]()
I look forward to hearing your results. Should be interesting and helpful,
My understanding is that this is in addition to the grounding through the tonearm cable and done through a screw on the tonearm base. It would be very interesting to hear from somebody who has done this.
DRC. If it helps, I now integrate a dedicated consumer unit, radial main, Westwick 8kVA balanced power transformer, Entreq grounding and a Burmester 948 power conditioner into a really successful package. My power components only, come off the transformer, so there is no chance of peak current limitation, and source components/mono preamps/AV rig only, off the Burmester (which itself comes off the transformer), so I get the benefit of conditioning to kit where peak current is not an issue. This is giving me full bass weight and substance (the transformer), midtrange and treble clarity (Entreq grounding, and Burmester). At this point I'm happy to stick, but will investigate a little further to complete the power treatment cycle by grounding/filtering the mains PASSIVELY via Entreq Cleanus from Westwick to Tellus via an Apollo lead.
I very nearly went down the Vertex route, but somehow Entreq loomed into view at the same time, and my ability to get the decisive home trial happened more easily w/Entreq. The rest is history.
Take a look at the AE forum, it seems a lot of perfectionist Asian high end consumers are combining Troy w/Pranawire Linebackers, and the French JLS conditioners. May be worth considering.
I understand from Chris of AE that we can just attach an earthing cable from the Tripoint Sig to the tonearms- not sure if its via a special screw or just any contact? I will see how this is done when the Analogue Master installs the Thales arm onto my table, hopefully this week and report back!
Hi Spiritofmusic,
Total agree with you! I am taking a system wide approach - I have earthing sorted out for now with my Tripoint signature. Next, I plan to evaluate various Troy and Dalby Earthing cables to see if these truly do make a significant difference in my system and worth the money. I also plan to try some VertexAQ products to see if their Grounding components will work well in conjunction with my Tripoint system with additional benefits. I also have a VertexAQ Hirez Taga on order as well which will get passive filtration via my Lessloss Firewall- Hope to have this in place by Christmas.
Finally, I would like to compare Stillpoints isolation philosophy vs VertexAQs Leading Edge Platform which drains vibrations/noise into the platform labyrinth as opposed to isolating.
Honestly, I don't really care what I use. If it improves my system substantially, I am game. Lets hope we have succeeded in taking the first steps towards world peace!!!![]()
DRC, I have an Ikeda silver DIN to RCA tone arm cable with a grounding wire. But I know there is no ground of the turntable other than through the ac cord. I have yet to attach the ground of the tonearm to the Troy Signature as the spade on the ground wire is tiny in comparison to the spade on the silver ground cable. I know better than to solder the two together. Perhaps I can find a small brass bolt and nut along with two washers to clamp them together. Also since the BMC MCCI phono stage is not grounded to its chassis, I could use a chassis screw to hold them together. I will probably try that. Incidentally, when I grounded the MCCI chassis to the Signature, the sound improved, so chassis also need to be grounded.
Because my Tidal Sunrays are gone I am able to insert two Tripoint signatures in my Kondo/Genesis set up. My experiences so far are that individual components benefit most if they are connected to just one binding post (sorry Lloyd). This was one of the reasons I ordered the Tripoint emperor with eight binding posts. According to Miquel the emperor beats even a combination of more than two Troy signatures.
Audiocrack, please don't take this post as one of my previous Miguel criticisms (I'm so enamoured by grounding it's great to hear about the bleeding edge), but surely Emperor should have the potential to ground more than 8 components, esp if it's not advised to double up on grounding posts. A typical high end analog and digital system w/monoblocks and subs would need at a conservative estimate 9-10 posts to allow for grounding each powered component separately, esp w/psus needing grounding too, and then if you want to ground tonearms etc, a couple more for good measure would be handy.
For such a statement piece at $70k, surely Miguel could provide 12 posts. I can see in due course the uber grounder on AE running TWO Emperors, to allow 16 separate posts and 16 boxes grounded. Are the obsessive out there really going to be happy running a single Emperor doubling up on posts, or an Emperor along a Troy SE, e.g.? Esp since there seems to be a trend to ground single components sometimes 2-3 times.
Tbh, at such an exalted price, a box a third bigger w/12 posts, close to $100k+ would not be outlandish wrt the the 8 post Emperor at $70k (i.e. I can't see any not affording/being open to a $100k+/12 post version if you're ready to put your cash down on the $70k/8 post).
Same comments apply w/his high end Orion and Emperor AC conditioner units, they're all 8 o/l versions. Who in this day and age of multi component systems is going to find 8 sufficient?
But if you have 10+ components to ground as I do, it seems a shame that this true cost no object SOTA grounding solution won't be sufficient wrt number of ground points available. If 2 components per post were ok, I'd have no issue, but it seems this isn't the recommended option. So what happens if you want to ground one component per post and you have in excess of 8 items? And the AE way seems to be multiple grounding per component, 8 seems more and more insufficient. Emperor won't completely satisfy grounding OCD. Two Emperors will, butcovers my thoughts on the expense!!! LOL!
I was actually hoping you were all going to tell me the Emperor was so powerful that 3+ components per post was cool, this would certainly cover signal/chassis grounding, more than 1 per component, in a dozen component rig. And would be on the fringe of affordability. But from this it seems a little lacking in potential system coverage in a neat SOTA one box solution.
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