Damage compared to what solid state?
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What he said.
There are tubed DACs that are dogs and there are SS Dacs that are dogs too. The Zanden is NOT one of them.
Yes, if you put enough money into it, you can minimize the damage of a tube in a DAC. That doesn't make it a fundamentally good idea, just a good marketing idea.
Tim
Tim have you ever heard a zanden player or a ARC player ?
I'm surprised Ethan started this thread. Take his own products for instance. I purchased some Diffusors from him to put in my studio. I got them and opened the box. WTF?? These are made from cheap thin gauge metal (ring!!) and FOAM BOARD??? come on now..... over $600 EACH! I couldn't get rid of them fast enough.... got RPG diffusors made of real maple instead.... the only wood on Ethan's diffusors are a thin strip in the middle keeping them from falling apart! I can give him props though for taking them back with no questions asked. Cost me in shipping though.
Nope. Can you name a single quantifiable reason to put a tube output stage in a DAC?
Tim
Nope. Can you name a single quantifiable reason to put a tube output stage in a DAC?
Tim
My feelings exactly. Audio Note does have a magic way of bringing recorded music to life. Few components and systems has proven to connect me to the music in the same way.
HI Bruce, I see how much your disrespect for Ethan and his products has helped you!
Let see, you spent $50,000 for speakers and a $50,000 room with little results, congratulations! YOU DON'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR! With a REW result like this View attachment 4623, I can see how how you can be so smug???!!! WTF!!! Good luck,
JDR
Tim,
No. But I also do not have quantifiable reasons to justify almost all my audio options.
I would love to know about any one choosing his audio system exclusively using quantifiable reasons.
Good design is a combo of listening versus measurements , cutting 1 of will limit the outcome of the final product .
Design is always a compromise, accepting a couple of flaws versus a major advantage is wise .
Digital and solid sate are certainly not the last word in " reality "
Example: one could argue that ceramic (accuton )material would be the best for membranes of LS , the perfect piston behavior or what ever .
Listening expiriences tells me otherwise for mids and certainly for bass , i think papercomposite for mids which is not the absolute last word in stiffness , adds natural tone colour , while ceramic bass sounds not powerfull and hollow to me .
I'm surprised Ethan started this thread. Take his own products for instance. I purchased some Diffusors from him to put in my studio. I got them and opened the box. WTF?? These are made from cheap thin gauge metal (ring!!) and FOAM BOARD??? come on now..... over $600 EACH! I couldn't get rid of them fast enough.... got RPG diffusors made of real maple instead.... the only wood on Ethan's diffusors are a thin strip in the middle keeping them from falling apart! I can give him props though for taking them back with no questions asked. Cost me in shipping though.
Tim, I'm not asking this in a provocative, or baiting way, but have you heard modern, top grade tube stuff? It is not the tubular stuff of yore, and doesn't have the colorations that you may be associating with tube hi-fi. Some gear judiciously employs tubes in an otherwise modern circuit- for example, my line stage is solid state but uses tubes in the power supply.We just like different things, andromedaaudio. Simple as that. I've heard valve gear. I've had valve gear. And analogue. I understand that it has a sound that is very attractive to many. To me, it takes me further away from the recording. I hear hifi in the way of the music. MHO. YMMV.
Tim
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