Is It Possible for a Manufacturer to Create a Design that Minimizes the Effects of Cables? Anyone you are familiar with?

[DaveC]

Not only xlr ,Speakon and Powercon are better than any IEC plug or speaker connector. That's what I call contact security. You can use them to lower your speakers and equipment from the first floor if you want.

Not an issue in a home system though, not sure how many times your gear gets accidentally unplugged while in operation? what we really care about it contact resistance and for that, a binding post + spade is actually measurably superior. For power, a pure copper plug and receptacle are superior to the brass used in powercons.

 

[DasguteOhr]

Not an issue in a home system though, not sure how many times your gear gets accidentally unplugged while in operation? what we really care about it contact resistance and for that, a binding post + spade is actually measurably superior. For power, a pure copper plug and receptacle are superior to the brass used in powercons.

I like the Neutrik stuff, just a quick cable comparison, don't switch anything off, just do it.( rca+speakon) Around 2 milliohms contact resistance is really good. You need really expensive measuring equipment to measure that. A normal test lead usually has more.
you don't need to try this with a normal measuring bridge.

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[alexkane84]

I think no one questions it nowadays. We have however many disagreeing on how relevant these differences are. And a few that believe their preferred cable is the "reference".

Go tell that to Amir on Audio Science Review. He still thinks power cords don't matter at all and ridiculed me for spending five figures on my power cords.

 

[alexkane84]

I like the Neutrik stuff, just a quick cable comparison, don't switch anything off, just do it.( rca+speakon) Around 2 milliohms contact resistance is really good. You need really expensive measuring equipment to measure that. A normal test lead usually has more.
you don't need to try this with a normal measuring bridge.

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I wondered as well, if a consumer is spending 20k plus on powercords and a conditioner, why dont they all have neutrik-type outlets and plugs ? I have this Galileo powercord that is so unwieldy, I have to keep my power conditioner face down so it doesn't pull itself partially out. Pretty frustrating.

 

[andromedaaudio]

Yes my own designs .

 

[alexkane84]

Not an issue in a home system though, not sure how many times your gear gets accidentally unplugged while in operation? what we really care about it contact resistance and for that, a binding post + spade is actually measurably superior. For power, a pure copper plug and receptacle are superior to the brass used in powercons.

Try using a Galileo power cord, mine got pulled out 20x plus, albeit, I was reorganizing my system at the time. But, it's not a good feeling when your music is playing and all of a sudden cuts off because the cord falls out on its own. Once it's set, it doesnt move much, but I have to angle it in bizarre ways to keep it from coming out and put my Powercell 8 face down in my secondary system. I also have a Powercell 14 and SRX cables in another system and dont have said issue with those. I guess the point is that the flexibility and malleability combined with the weight and stability of the power conditioner is a real factor that can affect the integrity of a cord's stability. Yes, first-world problems that keep me up at night.

 

[DasguteOhr]

I wondered as well, if a consumer is spending 20k plus on powercords and a conditioner, why dont they all have neutrik-type outlets and plugs ? I have this Galileo powercord that is so unwieldy, I have to keep my power conditioner face down so it doesn't pull itself partially out. Pretty frustrating.

I know this cable good.
That's why these holders are available for purchase. It turns one business into two...clever.
I can shake my head...complete incomprehension


P.S
Pure copper without any other material can't maintain contact stability over time. I once had to rebend the contacts on such connectors every six months...wtf
Mostly used Beryllium.

 

[alexkane84]

True, never thought of that way ! Let's hope the sound difference I hear isn't psychoacoustic and I haven't played myself.

 

[alexkane84]

Regarding the original question, I have a Hifi Rose RS130 streamer and paired it with a RD160 dac by SPF connection, and I thought I heard clear improvements using SPF over any other cable. My RS130 received a SPF fiber optic connection for its internet connection as well. Then, Hifi Rose introduced the RS151, allegedly the RS130 and RD160 in one box. I bought the RS151 also. It was only the cost of one box, a 50 percent savings and more room on my rack . However, the RS151 lacks a master clock input and a SPF fiber optic internet connection input. So, what's my point ? While the one box saves money, it seems like at least with Hifi Rose you lose the ability to use an external clock and a fiber optic SPF connection. Do I think that matters? Yes , because I have my RS130 streamer, Gustard network switch, and DAC that are all running off the same Esoteric clock . And, I prefer a fiber optic SPF internet connection to my streamer where possible . The all-in-one solution eliminates the advantage of a SPF fiber optic connection between the streamer and DAC. Moreover, value-wise, the RS151 one-box solution will be very hard to beat for 5k-ish as the ability to synchronize a streamer, dac, and network switch with a master clock, and use a SPF fiber optic connection to the streamer may just be marginal improvements not significant enough for justification, but the jury remains out.

 

[DasguteOhr]

Try using a Galileo power cord, mine got pulled out 20x plus, albeit, I was reorganizing my system at the time. But, it's not a good feeling when your music is playing and all of a sudden cuts off because the cord falls out on its own. Once it's set, it doesnt move much, but I have to angle it in bizarre ways to keep it from coming out and put my Powercell 8 face down in my secondary system. I also have a Powercell 14 and SRX cables in another system and dont have said issue with those. I guess the point is that the flexibility and malleability combined with the weight and stability of the power conditioner is a real factor that can affect the integrity of a cord's stability. Yes, first-world problems that keep me up at night.

That's why I always use Neutrik PowerCon for my DIY projects. Once locked, the contact is 110% secure. You can even lift devices by the cable and nothing will happen. Maybe you sacrifice the last 5% of sound quality, but I don't care. The fun stops at mains voltage. Fires can start there or the device can be destroyed. I won't accept that.

 

[alexkane84]

That's why I always use Neutrik PowerCon for my DIY projects. Once locked, the contact is 110% secure. You can even lift devices by the cable and nothing will happen. Maybe you sacrifice the last 5% of sound quality, but I don't care. The fun stops at mains voltage. Fires can start there or the device can be destroyed. I won't accept that.

Exactly. You would think with the cost of these cords and conditioners, at least you'd be assured the security of the cable. I was surprised that neutrik, or something similar wasn't used, other than the single cable that goes from the outlet to the power conditioner.

 

[DasguteOhr]

Exactly. You would think with the cost of these cords and conditioners, at least you'd be assured the security of the cable. I was surprised that neutrik, or something similar wasn't used, other than the single cable that goes from the outlet to the power conditioner.

I use this one,first of all, they can handle much more power than any IEC plug on the world market.my tip when you want change.

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