Taiko Audio SGM Extreme : the Crème de la Crème
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@ray-dude I’d love more details on how you set up your VLAN as well. I’ve been planning a VLAN setup with my pfsense router on a stick configuration. Planning to use pihole as DNS and DHCP as pfsense won’t serve DHCP to any subnet that it’s not directly interfaced to. I would be doing interVLAN switching on my Brocade ICX 6610.
very interesting ray.
can you please elaborate on how a dedicated subnet (or a vlan) is setup.
is there an advantage to using a subnet compared to a vlan?
i have a edgerouter6P and it appears to have to two VLAN available, 192.168.1.x and 192.168.2.x in my case.
all my house is currently in that first group.
is it as simple as giving my extreme an IP address in the 192.168.2.x universe?
does the TAS app have to be on that same subnet or vlan?
assuming that is what i need to do, is it possible for the two subnets to talk to each other, for example when i want to copy music to the extreme or log in to the extreme from a pc on the first subnet?
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Boulder 2120, Meitner and Singxer SU-1 join the Taiko USB Driver compatibility list
the adding of DAC’s after we extract the USB descriptor is becoming a very fast process
the opposite of sourcing chips . . .
the adding of DAC’s after we extract the USB descriptor is becoming a very fast process
the opposite of sourcing chips . . .
Thank you! Look forward to seeing the SRC.DX on that list 
Thanks! Is it planned anytime soon to add support for non latin characters? (eg korean, japanese, chinese)
Ian,
That's how most of the supported DAC's with the usb driver came to fruition, by request from varied DAC users. The answer to your question is yes, Taiko will consider different DAC's. Other than if there is a technical reason that a specific DAC cannot be supported, I believe that Taiko has added all requested DACs.
You need to be able to extract the USB descriptor from your DAC and Emile has shown how to do that in previous posts in the thread
The SRC-DX has a Windows ASIO USB driver which was published by Com True in April 2021Thank you! Look forward to seeing the SRC.DX on that list
large ASIO buffers sizes are supported and the Driver sounds great as long as there are not other drivers installed which can interfere with the Com True driver
The TAS app or Roon remote app needs to be in the same subnet / VLAN, same for the source you want to copy music from/to.
You could expand the subnet (subnet mask) from 255.255.255.0 to 255.255.0.0 but then you'd lose the advantage from doing this in the first place.
Do note this can create a plethora of connectivity issues we cannot support.
The new Server back end being coded will handle all Foreign language character sets
While discussing networking (noise):
Our current recommendation is to use UNshielded CAT5 or CAT6 copper network cabling, we simply get the best results that way ourselves since the introduction of the new USB card. There is a solid explanation for it which I will share now.
There are 2 main modes of noise stemming from network usage:
1) Noise generated by network activity / processing
2) Noise transmitted over interconnects
Noise type 1) is dominant in Fiber connections due to a higher current draw of the SFP module which is an explanation for a benefit to creating a seperate subnet or vlan in this case as that reduces network activity on that subnet. As it's fiber there is no direct path for electrical noise as fiber is electrically non conductive.
Noise type 2) is dominant in copper connections, we have a very consistent network noise profile which is now rather insensitive to variations in network activity. This applies to a much lesser degree to Fiber which we have to configure differently to get to the level of Sound Quality we're after as a direct result of it's higher current draw. Now let's take a look at copper networking's sensitivity to noise type 2):
A 1Gb or higher Ethernet cable is made up of 4 pairs of signal carrying conductors, nowadays often surrounded by a shield. The signal carrying conductors (data pairs) are transformer decoupled, both common and differential mode, with their centertaps highpass filtered and referenced to ground (on both sides), usually with a corner frequency of about 1MHz. Typical schematic from Intel reference design documentation:
Solid engineering here which you should typically find in any switch, regardless of pricelevel.
Now let's discuss cable shields. Cable shields extend chassis shielding to include signal carrying conductors into the system shield, shielding them from external noise sources and/or reducing emissions. Now what happens if we apply this to our hifi-systems. To make this more visible I've created a quick MSPaint drawing:
It should be clear from this drawing that these cable shields can create a conductive path from any device on your network straight into your system. Therefor we propose to connect as follows:
This is accomplished by using an unshielded ethernet cable, which would be CAT5 or CAT6 as CAT7 and CAT8 are shielded by design.
Our current recommendation is to use UNshielded CAT5 or CAT6 copper network cabling, we simply get the best results that way ourselves since the introduction of the new USB card. There is a solid explanation for it which I will share now.
There are 2 main modes of noise stemming from network usage:
1) Noise generated by network activity / processing
2) Noise transmitted over interconnects
Noise type 1) is dominant in Fiber connections due to a higher current draw of the SFP module which is an explanation for a benefit to creating a seperate subnet or vlan in this case as that reduces network activity on that subnet. As it's fiber there is no direct path for electrical noise as fiber is electrically non conductive.
Noise type 2) is dominant in copper connections, we have a very consistent network noise profile which is now rather insensitive to variations in network activity. This applies to a much lesser degree to Fiber which we have to configure differently to get to the level of Sound Quality we're after as a direct result of it's higher current draw. Now let's take a look at copper networking's sensitivity to noise type 2):
A 1Gb or higher Ethernet cable is made up of 4 pairs of signal carrying conductors, nowadays often surrounded by a shield. The signal carrying conductors (data pairs) are transformer decoupled, both common and differential mode, with their centertaps highpass filtered and referenced to ground (on both sides), usually with a corner frequency of about 1MHz. Typical schematic from Intel reference design documentation:
Solid engineering here which you should typically find in any switch, regardless of pricelevel.
Now let's discuss cable shields. Cable shields extend chassis shielding to include signal carrying conductors into the system shield, shielding them from external noise sources and/or reducing emissions. Now what happens if we apply this to our hifi-systems. To make this more visible I've created a quick MSPaint drawing:
It should be clear from this drawing that these cable shields can create a conductive path from any device on your network straight into your system. Therefor we propose to connect as follows:
This is accomplished by using an unshielded ethernet cable, which would be CAT5 or CAT6 as CAT7 and CAT8 are shielded by design.
I find this rather funny. If you remember I had switched back to normal unshielded Cat 6 cables from all of my fiber set ups. Until now I thought it was just in my set up and just my ears. I feel a bit vindicated, to myself anyway
Ed or others can provide potential technical interactions, but in lay-terms, we could not get both the Chord and CommTrue drivers to reside in the same location and function as required.
I had hoped to be able to A/B between a few different configurations by selecting the driver from the TAS app. No dice.
Both drivers work fine, but only by themselves. Currently, I have the CommTrue in place.
Do others have both "installed" and able to select from the app?
ASIO is a data transfer protocol which requires disciplined opening and closing of channels. When a driver does not follow the strict sequence / procedure of opening and closing of each and every channel, then data transfer will not take place
Hard to say which driver is not following the strict protocol/ procedure
Are all CAT5 and CAT6 cables unshielded or does one have to carefully shop for them?
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