Tim’s videos of large scale classical music are my favorite for their clarity, resolution and balance. They sound the most natural to me.
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Tim’s videos of large scale classical music are my favorite for their clarity, resolution and balance. They sound the most natural to me.
Looks to me you guys are hanging some pretty big matzah balls out there regarding several matters. The very least of which is the quality (and quantity?) of bass doesn’t even seem to be on your radar. But I digress.
Let’s cut to the chase a bit on this vinyl reigns supreme rant by trying something a little less refined. As I’m sure you already know, even an elementary electronica music piece can be so telling of what a system and/or source can and cannot do. Often times better than the “gold standard”.
Since none of you 3 (tima, petera, rexp) are self-proclaimed luddites, why not post a similar in-room video using your vinyl-sourced system? Then we can talk all you want about vinyl’s supposed superiority, compare shortcomings, strong suits, etc. At least then we’re talking apples-to-apples. Sorta.
Anyway, crank it all the way up.
If tima, petera, rexp, et al. assertions about vinyl’s superiority are genuine, their posting a similar video should be a piece of cake, right? Especially, a more elementary music piece like this one.
I don't believe I've ever said that vinyl is superior although it is my preferred medium. I thought this thread was about oomph, tympani, menace, power in music, not about a medium competition. Enjoy your balloons.
I am re-posting this from another forum.
Mahler 3
Mahler once wrote in a letter: "Just imagine a work of such magnitude that it actually mirrors the whole world—one is, so to speak, only an instrument, played on by the universe… My symphony will be something the like of which the world has never yet heard!…In it the whole of nature finds a voice."
That Symphony is Mahler's 3rd, the longest he will ever write at over 100 minutes of music. In it he has a lot to say.
Below is a recording of the first ~ 14 minutes of the 3rd recorded from my stereo. The First Movement lasts ~32 minutes. Mahler labeled it Kräftig Entschieden which means Strong Decisive.
Sometimes Mahler would attach or describe a program -- something like an explanation -- to his movements. The words he associated to the 3rd's First Movement are "Pan Awakes, Summer Marches In". Without going too deep, Pan is a Greek word for "all", and a Greek god. Sometimes he called the movement “What the mountain tells me”.
Of the First Movement Mahler writes: It has almost ceased to be music; it is hardly anything but sounds of nature. I could equally well have called the movement “What the mountain tells me”—it’s eerie, the way life gradually breaks through, out of soul-less, rigid matter. And, as this life rises from stage to stage, it takes on ever more highly developed forms: flowers, beasts, man, up to the sphere of the spirits, the “angels.” Over the introduction to this movement, there lies again that atmosphere of brooding summer midday heat; not a breath stirs, all life is suspended, and the sun-drenched air trembles and vibrates. At intervals there come the moans of the youth—that is, captive life—struggling for release from the clutches of lifeless, rigid Nature. At last he breaks through and triumphs."
If you like brass instruments you'll love this movement -- they star throughout. The orchestration includes:
8 horns
4 trumpets
4 trombones
tuba
and a post horn heard off stage in Movement 3.
There is a famous lower register trombone solo that starts ~ 06:30. Beethoven said the voice of the trombone is the sound of devine intervention.
Life breaking out of rigid matter. What does that sound like in music?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78QNkTtd1wI
Mahler Symphony No.3 in D Minor
Georg Solti with the London Symphony Orchestra
Contra Alto: Helen Watts
Chorus: Boys from Wandsworth School, The Ambrosian Chorus
London CSA 2223 2LPs (Pressed in UK, imported to US)
We rarely see covers like this anymore...
Mahler 3
Mahler once wrote in a letter: "Just imagine a work of such magnitude that it actually mirrors the whole world—one is, so to speak, only an instrument, played on by the universe… My symphony will be something the like of which the world has never yet heard!…In it the whole of nature finds a voice."
That Symphony is Mahler's 3rd, the longest he will ever write at over 100 minutes of music. In it he has a lot to say.
Below is a recording of the first ~ 14 minutes of the 3rd recorded from my stereo. The First Movement lasts ~32 minutes. Mahler labeled it Kräftig Entschieden which means Strong Decisive.
Sometimes Mahler would attach or describe a program -- something like an explanation -- to his movements. The words he associated to the 3rd's First Movement are "Pan Awakes, Summer Marches In". Without going too deep, Pan is a Greek word for "all", and a Greek god. Sometimes he called the movement “What the mountain tells me”.
Of the First Movement Mahler writes: It has almost ceased to be music; it is hardly anything but sounds of nature. I could equally well have called the movement “What the mountain tells me”—it’s eerie, the way life gradually breaks through, out of soul-less, rigid matter. And, as this life rises from stage to stage, it takes on ever more highly developed forms: flowers, beasts, man, up to the sphere of the spirits, the “angels.” Over the introduction to this movement, there lies again that atmosphere of brooding summer midday heat; not a breath stirs, all life is suspended, and the sun-drenched air trembles and vibrates. At intervals there come the moans of the youth—that is, captive life—struggling for release from the clutches of lifeless, rigid Nature. At last he breaks through and triumphs."
If you like brass instruments you'll love this movement -- they star throughout. The orchestration includes:
8 horns
4 trumpets
4 trombones
tuba
and a post horn heard off stage in Movement 3.
There is a famous lower register trombone solo that starts ~ 06:30. Beethoven said the voice of the trombone is the sound of devine intervention.
Life breaking out of rigid matter. What does that sound like in music?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78QNkTtd1wI
Mahler Symphony No.3 in D Minor
Georg Solti with the London Symphony Orchestra
Contra Alto: Helen Watts
Chorus: Boys from Wandsworth School, The Ambrosian Chorus
London CSA 2223 2LPs (Pressed in UK, imported to US)
We rarely see covers like this anymore...
I don't believe I've ever said that vinyl is superior although it is my preferred medium. I thought this thread was about oomph, tympani, menace, power in music, not about a medium competition. Enjoy your balloons.
I stand corrected. It was rexp who brought it up several times in earlier posts and I recall petera mentioning in other threads.
But based on the your (including petera, rexp, et al) seemingly overlooking among other things the importance of bass quality in your own presentations I tossed you into the mix.
Enjoy your bass.
Yeah, not really. I make no secret about preferring vinyl and I have a vinyl only system, but like Tim, I do not tend write that it is superior in other threads. Please correct me if I am mistaken. Digital is different and many prefer it based on their values and criteria. I have heard natural sounding digital too.
Here is a video I just made of a pop song with oomph. It was quite popular a few years back. Lorde, “Royals”.
As for me, I've no such conditioning as I’ve no clue what to expect every time my playback config advances. So in a sense, I’m just going along for the ride to see where my playback config leads me.
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Maybe lovers of vinyl have just conditioned their preferences to what they are used to hearing / interpreting?
As for me, I've no such conditioning as I’ve no clue what to expect every time my playback config advances. So in a sense, I’m just going along for the ride to see where my playback config leads me.
No, actually, I am used to hearing digital. I should be conditioned to digital because that is how most media is now delivered. But we live in an analog world, so it is a mix.
Compare and contrast. In this case two digital presentations, not one vinyl mix versus official digital mix. Better visuals too.
You honestly think you’ve justified the huge differences between your video and an unadulterated youtube version?
Scotty, beam me up.
You asked the vinyl crowd to post a video of their systems playing vinyl with this kind of pop, electronic music, presumably for comparison to your system. I did that in good faith because you requested it.
It is clear you do not want to compare and contrast two systems but rather compare and contrast someone’s system to a third thing, the official YouTube video. I don’t think you were ever interested in comparing two member systems to each other. Why did you request it in the first place?
I think one of the interesting things is that a few members take it upon themselves to immediately post the official YouTube video for comparison against anyone who shows a system video. You did this immediately upon my posting.
Often the mastering is different for a vinyl record and a digital file or CD so comparisons raise questions.
I’m not in this as a competition. I want to learn, share, and have fun. Have at it if you want and enjoy yourself. I think you like your system and you tell everyone to crank up the videos and that’s fine, but you seem to have a need to prove something. Enjoy!
It is clear you do not want to compare and contrast two systems but rather compare and contrast someone’s system to a third thing, the official YouTube video. I don’t think you were ever interested in comparing two member systems to each other. Why did you request it in the first place?
I think one of the interesting things is that a few members take it upon themselves to immediately post the official YouTube video for comparison against anyone who shows a system video. You did this immediately upon my posting.
Often the mastering is different for a vinyl record and a digital file or CD so comparisons raise questions.
I’m not in this as a competition. I want to learn, share, and have fun. Have at it if you want and enjoy yourself. I think you like your system and you tell everyone to crank up the videos and that’s fine, but you seem to have a need to prove something. Enjoy!
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You’re right, Peter. I did ask and I had good intentions. But you posting this video is not giving me much to work with. IOW, I do not think you’re being reasonable.
And yes, I immediately went searching for an unadulterated video because I could spend way too much time trying to describe what you posted and in the process you become offended thinking I’m attacking you. So I posted your video smack dab next to a musical engaging unadulterated flavor so that it could easily tell you a whole lot more than I ever could in just a few minutes and that way you’re not so offended.
Besides, in the end it doesn’t really matter what I think or what you think about any video anybody posts. What matters is, does it sound musical on its face to the listener and what really matters is, how does it sound when compared to most any unadulterated video? IOW, is it at least somewhat in the ballpark? In this case the answer is no.
In contrast, if say tima had posted a video, well.. aside from the questionable bass which most of us have to one degree or another, his videos have a tendency to be more musical than yours and that would have been easier to engage in some type of meaningful dialogue. I heard nothing of the sort with yours. But the fact that tima gave yet another of your videos a thumbs up reminds me I’m probably just barking up the wrong tree here no matter what.
BTW, didn't you mention that you purchased professional consulting services to achieve this level of sonics in your room?
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