QSA LANEDRI Series

Hi Steven,
Very glad yo see that there is a QSA Forum on WBF.
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QSA : My take on their expensive products

Threre has been another WBF thread on QSA fuses for some weeks already, but I still want to share with WBF brothers my personal audition/comparison experience. Disclaimer : I am NOT in anyway in the music/hifi industry in Hong Kong. I am only an audiophile and consumer. All WBF brothers who...
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I think I wrote the first QSA review on WBF, back in 2012.
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QSA : My take on their expensive products

Threre has been another WBF thread on QSA fuses for some weeks already, but I still want to share with WBF brothers my personal audition/comparison experience. Disclaimer : I am NOT in anyway in the music/hifi industry in Hong Kong. I am only an audiophile and consumer. All WBF brothers who...
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May I ask you two questions?

Firstly, I notice on you website that QSA-Lanedri cables are being launched.

HOME | QSA LANEDRI

www.qsa-lanedri.com www.qsa-lanedri.com

May you tell us more about them?
What metals are employed and what special features do they have?

Secondly, several frds of mine in Hong Kong have bought QSA JitterPower.
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Again, please tell the WBF members more about these series of accessories.

Many thanks!

Cheers,
CK
 
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Exciting News: Join Us at the Hong Kong AV Show!​

We are thrilled to announce that we will be exhibiting our high-end audio products at the upcoming Hong Kong Audio Video Show. This prestigious event is a must-visit for audiophiles and music enthusiasts, and we are excited to showcase our latest innovations.

Booth X29: Stereo Setup​

Discover our state-of-the-art stereo setup at Booth X29. Experience the unparalleled sound quality and transformative impact of our products, including our newest innovations: the Ultimatum Infinity Interconnects and the Ultimatum Power Distributor. These products are designed to elevate your listening experience to unprecedented levels.

Booth M05: Headphone Setup​

Visit us at Booth M05 to explore our dedicated headphone setup. Get hands-on with our cutting-edge Gamma Infinity Headphone Connection Deck and see how it pairs perfectly with the dCS Lina system to deliver an exceptional audio experience.

We look forward to seeing you there and sharing the joy of high-fidelity audio with you. Don't miss this opportunity to experience our products firsthand and meet our team.
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Do you ever show your products in the States? If you were at the Pacific Audio Fest in Seattle, it’d be an additional incentive to go.
 
flkin
Alpha Labs measured the Ultimatum Infinity speaker cable 3m length.

Anas had nothing to gain and all to loose by sending this to Jaap so a brave action and indicates a total belief in his products.

Good results and best conductance Jaap’s ever measured in a speaker cable.

 
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flkin said:
Alpha Labs measured the Ultimatum Infinity speaker cable 3m length.

Anas had nothing to gain and all to loose by sending this to Jaap so a brave action and indicates a total belief in his products.

Good results and best conductance Jaap’s ever measured in a speaker cable.
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The impact of our cables on the music experience is transformational and we've chosen to undertake this measurement exercise to compare our cables' performance against the top competitors. Our aim is to provide scientific proof that the impact on music quality is backed by science.
 
K
I must agree with Anas and all opinions that favor QSA Lanedri Ultimatum Infinity.
Those are very special speaker cables.
I did comparison between the Speaker cables: Mit Oracle SHD ,Transparent Opus, Siltech Triple Crown, Crystal Da Vinci and QSA Lanedri Ultimatum Infinity.
Spent weeks of careful listening and switching between the cables in my system.
Also asked 2 audio friends for their opinion.
The clear winner was QSA Lanedri Ultimatum Infinity speaker cable.
I am amazed every day by their performance.

Unfortunately I might be temporary forced to sell them due to unexpected reasons.
I will buy them back in a year or two for sure as those are by far the best you can get.
If someone wants them in a good price please PM me. I am not listing them elsewhere yet.
I am in Europe.
 
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flkin said:
Alpha Labs measured the Ultimatum Infinity speaker cable 3m length.

Anas had nothing to gain and all to loose by sending this to Jaap so a brave action and indicates a total belief in his products.

Good results and best conductance Jaap’s ever measured in a speaker cable.

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This is fantastic confirmation of what people owning those speaker cables know.
You compare it to anything else and nothing sounds as good.

It's very interesting that you can mesure cable properties and confirm it's sonic performance by how it measures in the lab.
Thanks for sharing
 
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Kris said:
This is fantastic confirmation of what people owning those speaker cables know.
You compare it to anything else and nothing sounds as good.

It's very interesting that you can mesure cable properties and confirm it's sonic performance by how it measures in the lab.
Thanks for sharing
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Not exactly and not yet. One can correlate aspects of sonic performance with measurements (or vice-versa), but not nearly all or necessarily the most important.
 
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highstream said:
Not exactly and not yet. One can correlate aspects of sonic performance with measurements (or vice-versa), but not nearly all or necessarily the most important.
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That is certainly the case for speaker cables. It is easy to show they are dependent the equipment they connected to, to environmental conditions, internal design etc. One of the most important issues is termination. See for example articles 4 to 6 of this series.

Picking and choosing one particular property seems a bit pointless, especially when its impact may be irrelevant given the cable length. The easiest way to optimise a speaker cable is to keep it as short as possible, or remove it completely.

So this cable has fairly regular inductance at 2uH. The Townshend Isolda cable, sold for over 40 years, considers this critical and has inductance of 0.002uH. QSAL capacitance is 200pF, whereas Townshend Isolda capacitance is 3,100pF. If you want low resistance, just get 8 AWG UPOCC cable, it's about £130/m but is about 25mm thick and not very flexible.

Speaker cables do matter, but they are far more part of a system (with amplifier and speaker) than any other type of cable. I've not heard of Alpha Audio, but what is the point of these measurements in isolation?
 
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A couple of months ago, Alpha-Audio conducted an extensive comparison of 32 interconnect cables to understand the differences in their impact. They later carried out a similar exercise with 32 speaker cables. Unfortunately, our QSA Lanedri cables were not included in these tests as we found out too late about it.

Alpha-Audio performed hundreds of tests and concluded that the impact of speaker cables is less auditable than that of interconnect cables.

It was in our to-do list to perform comparison exercises to measure the performance of our cables and compare them against some of the best on the market. We did not hesitate to approach Alpha-Audio for this comparison exercise due to their thorough and objective approach.

During the listening session with Alpha-Audio, and right up until the moment before connecting the Ultimatum Infinity speaker cables, the reviewer Jaap had low expectations regarding their impact. However, immediately after installing the Ultimatum Infinity speaker cables, Jaap affirmed that he has to reconsider his initial thoughts. The transformative impact was undeniable. Some f Jaap's reaction, "Ouuuh...this doesn't need a couple of minutes. Wow, that's a huge difference." "Okay, I have to reconsider the impact of speaker cables. This is nuts, I alwyas tought the impact is okay but this huuuge...other league"

 
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When you connect the Ultimatum power cable to your server, you will notice a substantial elevation in your music experience, and trying to put this impact on music into words is always a challenge. Our biggest surprise during R&D was when we powered the router with this cable; it yielded one of the highest impacts on both online and offline music.
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When you connect the Ultimatum power cable to your server, you will notice a substantial elevation in your music experience, and trying to put this impact on music into words is always a challenge. Our biggest surprise during R&D was when we powered the router with this cable; it yielded one of the highest impacts on both online and offline music.
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Anas
Could you please expand on the router discussion? My router is in a totally different room about 60 feet away from my 2 channel system. Are you saying that I should put an Ult. Infinity there?

I have two more Ult Infinity PC's coming in late August. My plan was to use them on my Aries Cerat Essentia mono amps and then move the Gamma Infinity PCs to my external speaker crossovers. Does it make more sense to put the new cables on my Lucas Audio Music Server and the router which is in another room? How does the Ult. Infinity PC make the router better?
 
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Willgolf said:
Anas
Could you please expand on the router discussion? My router is in a totally different room about 60 feet away from my 2 channel system. Are you saying that I should put an Ult. Infinity there?

I have two more Ult Infinity PC's coming in late August. My plan was to use them on my Aries Cerat Essentia mono amps and then move the Gamma Infinity PCs to my external speaker crossovers. Does it make more sense to put the new cables on my Lucas Audio Music Server and the router which is in another room? How does the Ult. Infinity PC make the router better?
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Will

The Ultimatum Infinity power cable has a transformative effect on every component it powers, each power cable elevates the music experience to new heights. With these cables, the law of diminishing returns does not apply; once you experience their impact, there’s no turning back.


To truly understand the magnitude of these cables' effects, I recommend experimenting the Ultimatum Infinity power cables on various components. Based on our experiences, I recommend starting with the router and the server. The impact on the router exceeded our expectations and is at least on par with the impact on the server, impacting both online and offline music experiences.
 
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QSA-LANEDRI said:
The Alpha-Audio review of the Ultimatum Infinity speaker cables is live.

https://www.alpha-audio.net/review/qsa-lanedri-ultimatum-infinity-speaker-cable-infinite-insight/
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Can someone explain the science of these measurements? The design of a speaker or amplifier may require, for example, low inductance (Quad ESL) or low capacitance (Gryphon). The inductance and capacitance of this cable is pretty much the same as Belden 5T00UP (total cost $140 - this is the Gamma Infinity cable). The conductivity is allegedly twice as high as the Belden cable. However, signals pass down speaker cables at around half the speed of light for a fairly basic cable, which is about 500,000 times faster than the speed of sound. So any timing differences from propagation or conductivity would be less than the impact of the slightest twitch of your head. Do these Alpha people explain the purpose of their tests anywhere?
 
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ssfas said:
Can someone explain the science of these measurements? The design of a speaker or amplifier may require, for example, low inductance (Quad ESL) or low capacitance (Gryphon). The inductance and capacitance of this cable is pretty much the same as Belden 5T00UP (total cost $140 - this is the Gamma Infinity cable). The conductivity is allegedly twice as high as the Belden cable. However, signals pass down speaker cables at around half the speed of light for a fairly basic cable, which is about 500,000 times faster than the speed of sound. So any timing differences from propagation or conductivity would be less than the impact of the slightest twitch of your head. Do these Alpha people explain the purpose of their tests anywhere?
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Did you ask at the A-A review comments section? They monitor it and respond fairly quickly.

Btw, there's a new fantastic, informative interview/discussion Jaap of A-A does with Ole from System Audio in Denmark, "Measurements vs. Listening." Well worth the 54 minutes.
www.alpha-audio.net

AlphaPodcast - Measurements versus listening

The hifi world is mostly split in two 'segments': people that want hard data and people that just follow their senses.
www.alpha-audio.net www.alpha-audio.net
 
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ssfas said:
So any timing differences from propagation or conductivity would be less than the impact of the slightest twitch of your head.
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But we can hear differences much smaller than the slightest twitch of our heads.

Normal listeners can perceive timing differences as small as 10 microseconds. There are some who can even perceive smaller differences. This precision allows us to localize sound very effectively. It also helps us perceive of pitch.

I raise this to point out that without understanding how our ears perceive of sound, it can be difficult to understand which measurement matter and why.
 
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Normal listeners can perceive timing differences as small as 10 microseconds. There are some who can even perceive smaller differences.
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May I ask what "timing differences" are you talking about here?

ssfas I think was talking about timing differences inside of a cable due to different velocities of propagation at different frequencies. Are these the timing differences you are talking about?
 
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10ms is a HUGE difference, IMO/IME. At least to these ears. If I heard that on any component within my rig? That component would be long gone before it even arrived. Jeez.

Tom
 
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Ron Resnick said:
May I ask what "timing differences" are you talking about here?

ssfas I think was talking about timing differences inside of a cable due to different velocities of propagation at different frequencies. Are these the timing differences you are talking about?
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I was responding to “less than the impact of the slightest twitch of your head” to say that even such little differences can matter given the precision our hearing can resolve. If a sound arrives in as little as 10 microseconds later to our left ear than our right, we can detect that and factor it into exactly where the sound was coming from. Likewise when we hear improvements to our system that help us better pinpoint images in the soundstage it could be that fidelity has improved such that we are better able to perceive the timing differences baked into the recording. Without a good understanding of how our ears perceive sound, it can be difficult to know if small measured differences can matter.
 
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