“Examining the Criticism: Is Synergistic Research Unfairly Singled Out in the High-End Audio Industry?”

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Gentlemen, (and ladies as well....) Please meet Trey. A.K.A., "X".

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I’ll say this, whenever I run into a piece of marketing literature that mentions “quantum” my bullshit antennae begin to quiver uncontrollably. The term is most often used incorrectly or out of context, but it is one of those words people with no understanding of what it means are reluctant to admit not knowing, so they simply nod their head in agreement.

Given the following definition from Dictionary.com, what is “quantum” about, for example, your fuses?

quantum

noun,
plural quan·ta [kwon-tuh] Show IPA.
  1. quantity or amount: the least quantum of evidence.
  2. a particular amount.
  3. a share or portion.
  4. a large quantity; bulk.
  5. Physics.
    1. the smallest quantity of radiant energy, equal to Planck's constant times the frequency of the associated radiation.
    2. the fundamental unit of a quantized physical magnitude, as angular momentum.
adjective
  1. sudden and significant: a quantum increase in productivity.
quantum sufficit2

Latin.
  1. as much as suffices; enough.
How 'bout Quantum of Solace... :)
 
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The SR products I outlined earlier for comparison against extremely popular counterparts in the industry, that also happened to retail for significantly more than the Synergistic Research products, I invite anyone to make those comparisons.



Our success speaks for itself.

Ted Denney
Lead designer, CEO, Synergistic Research INC.
I arrive late to this deep-dive -- and I am struggling to see the problem here:

- one the one hand, you take umbrage at the unfair treatment of your brand, because you feel that more people criticise your products than those of your competitors (criticism should be equally distributed across the board?)
- on the other hand you inform us that sales are up, etc, IOW, many people are purchasing your products

Sales are good, reportedly your products fly off the shelves -- should you not be thankful rather than otherwise (if you'll allow my well-meant comment)?
 
How 'bout Quantum of Solace... :)

:). Quantum Entanglement

That means an audiocable in the US could potentially influence one in Asia :cool:

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Quantum Entanglement is a fundamental concept of quantum mechanics that describes a non-classical correlation, or shared quantum state, between two or more quantum systems (or quantum particles) even if they are separated by a large distance.
 
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I arrive late to this deep-dive -- and I am struggling to see the problem here:

- one the one hand, you take umbrage at the unfair treatment of your brand, because you feel that more people criticise your products than those of your competitors (criticism should be equally distributed across the board?)
- on the other hand you inform us that sales are up, etc, IOW, many people are purchasing your products

Sales are good, reportedly your products fly off the shelves -- should you not be thankful rather than otherwise (if you'll allow my well-meant comment)?
Definitely thankful. The reason of this post is to highlight the fact that the controversy that surrounds my company can be levied against the whole of the industry, and yet we are singled out for industry wide practices.
I arrive late to this deep-dive -- and I am struggling to see the problem here:

- one the one hand, you take umbrage at the unfair treatment of your brand, because you feel that more people criticise your products than those of your competitors (criticism should be equally distributed across the board?)
- on the other hand you inform us that sales are up, etc, IOW, many people are purchasing your products

Sales are good, reportedly your products fly off the shelves -- should you not be thankful rather than otherwise (if you'll allow my well-meant comment)?

We often find ourselves asking why Synergistic Research faces such unique scrutiny in our industry. The criticisms leveled against us - lack of extensive white papers, reliance on subjective evaluations - are universal in the high-end audio cable and accessory space. No company in our field publishes comprehensive scientific papers detailing the exact mechanisms of their products’ performance. The reality is, all products in our industry, especially cables and accessories, are ultimately judged by subjective criteria. Yet, for some reason, we’re singled out for demands of objective proof. Why?


We’re pushing boundaries in the audio industry with innovations like our Unified Energy Field and Active Electromagnetic Cells, which form the backbone of all SR products. We’re not just making cables; we’re creating comprehensive solutions for audio systems. That makes us stand out, and unfortunately, it also seems to make us a target.


Yes, we use marketing terms for our in-house processes, but this is hardly unique or hyperbolic in our industry. Every company has its proprietary technologies and terminology. Yet again, for some reason, we seem to be singled out for this common practice.


Our products are premium-priced, but that’s not unusual in the high-end audio world. Many companies offer products at similar or even higher price points. Have you seen the prices on Nordost’s Odin Gold line? Or better yet, compared that cable loom to our SRX XL? The cornerstone of our business model is to make our products available for people to try in-home, and decide for themselves whether or not they perform as we claim. We stand behind the value we provide, just as our competitors do.


We’re incredibly grateful for our success and the support of our customers. However, that doesn’t negate the fact that we face a unique level of scrutiny and, at times, hostility that goes beyond normal market competition. This isn’t about wanting criticism to be “equally distributed.” It’s about intellectual honesty in our industry and illogical double standards.

Ted Denney
Lead Designer, CEO, Synergistic Research Inc.
 
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@treitz3 … May I suggest that a new thread Viz Synergistic Research Company , be opened in the dedicated Manufacturers sub forum and this entire thread be transported there , as a more appropriate repository for this particular thread OP , and subsequent informercial , than the Audio Cable Sub forum ?
 
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@treitz3 … Tom , May I suggest that a new thread Viz Synergistic Research Company , be opened in the dedicated Manufacturers sub forum and this entire thread be transported there , as a more appropriate repository for this particular thread OP , and subsequent informercial , than the Audio Cable Sub forum ?

It’s not an infomercial to ask why
TED WBF is all into videos .
If you can make 2 vids of a system playing that would be very informative .

One with full SR treatment and one without :)

With and without Vibratron at Southwest Audio Fest:



Lots of videos like that on YouTube now. However, I have a weekly YouTube podcast coming out. The studio is almost finished in my home, where I will be doing a lot of things in my listening room that will get a lot of attention, and yes, it will involve not only turning on and off various active Synergistic Research technologies and products, in whole and in part, as well as removing Synergistic Research acoustic devices and other SR Tech from the system and listening room, but also direct comparisons against our competitors. This will be interesting. Very interesting.

Ted Denney
Lead designer, CEO, Synergistic Research Inc.
 
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You showed a tracking number. And you showed a fuse that is clearly not from my factory. How those two go together I will not speculate.

Ted Denney
Lead designer, CEO, Synergistic Research Inc.
This would be a fantastic Judge Judy episode.
 
May just be me but it would seem that a more productive way to address your concern about the criticism your company receives is to analyze each of it for underlying themes and then figure out ways to remedy them in your communication/marketing/sales/service approaches as applicable. Playing the victim so to speak on a Forum isn't going to resolve anything with regards to that. Your company is successful, act the part of one.
 
May just be me but it would seem that a more productive way to address your concern about the criticism your company receives is to analyze each of it for underlying themes and then figure out ways to remedy them in your communication/marketing/sales/service approaches as applicable. Playing the victim so to speak on a Forum isn't going to resolve anything with regards to that. Your company is successful, act the part of one.

Your point about considering recurring themes is well taken. We’re exploring options for third-party testing that don’t compromise our proprietary technologies.

I’ve aimed to avoid playing the victim, but to highlight the intellectual dishonesty in holding Synergistic Research to standards rarely applied to our peers. Claims that our products are “expensive” ignore competitors’ offerings at multiples of our prices. The idea that we somehow lack credible scientific evidence, in an industry that doesn’t provide objective proof of performance, is odd. Suggestions that our marketing is uniquely fanciful disregard industry norms.

Much of this criticism seems to come from non-audiophiles or potential industry proxies, perhaps struggling to match our innovation pace. However, repeating these points to unreceptive audiences is not productive.

I’ve presented our perspective. People can consider it, or not.

Ted Denney

Lead designer, CEO Synergistic Research Inc.
 
I'll follow up here if Chris is able to link me to anything from back then.

I ordered 6 or so fuses, they all arrived in the same box and condition with no signs of what I would expect a counterfeit product to have. If anything, the packaging is very high quality with nice thick print and such.

I have no axe to grind with Synergistic, I simply reported my findings and returned them. I ordered hifi tuning fuses as it was verifiable they were built from the ground up quality fuses but I experienced no differences upon install.

All the best!

Thanks everyone
Trey

Well, time will always tell...

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I am now copied on any and all communications involved from 5 years ago regarding this. There is no need to involve, "X".

Tom
Maybe I'm missing something... But when someone, or some company, is accused of committing a crime, there's usually a motive at play. What would the motive have been five years ago for SR deliver counterfeit fuses?

The fuses they use, purchased in volume, surely cost them pennies each. They are presumedly set up at their factory to apply their treatment to these fuses in an efficient, cost effective production line. The cost to SR to apply the treatment is probably pretty low (relative to retail) per fuse.

In this case SR and the dealer have been paid roughly a thousand $$ for legitimate SR treated fuses.

What's in it for SR to deliver a phony product in order to save the relatively minor cost they have in producing the real thing? And why would they risk all the negatives involved in doing so when there's no financial motivation to do so?

I've been the victim of outright dishonesty from a well respected audio business person (which I've never spoken of in public) and they had real financial gain to be made by their subterfuge. It happens in any business.

In this case, going after SR for these counterfeit fused doesn't pass the smell test on any level. Someone stood to gain, but I don't think it's who is being accused in this thread.

I don't own any SR products, btw.
 
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I was mulling the whole of the whole. There are manufacturer that are treated like darlings.
If Caelin of Shunyata came on and was blasted the way Ted has been. There would be serious blow back from members crying to stop it lest we loose another important member. Same for Say Lukasz. And I know things about both companies products that if dredged up would look bad. Consumers do seem to protect those manufacturers. Even the dissatisfied ones.

I was also mulling, if SR sells that many fuses, why on earth would you not expect some amount of failure. It's a fuse. I got swept into the QSA hype, bought some fuses and immediately 2 blew. I look at the QSA duplex and shake my head that people swear up and down they are the best ever. It's a Hubbell with a colored bead glued to the bottom. And it $4000. For a duplex. Excuse me. Its a Quantum Duplex.
I think the QSA conundrum is part of why I questioned Schnerzinger. If you read both threads, it's about the exact same flowery language on sonic performance. Neither tell you what they do. SR does not tell you what they do either. What's the bright light box filter? Or the small black box with an antenna. Why aren't we given any solid technical foundation to base a belief in the betterment our ear supposedly perceive in the music. In the end it speaks exactly like religion. Just have faith. Some people do, some people don't. And a whole lot of people murder their fellow man over their brand of faith. Sounds like an audio forum now.

Which brings me to my last point. How is it manufacture of tweak products like fuses, cable, duplex and certain filters, role out game changers, yet not a one can perform any meaningful measurement of change? If you can't measure anything, how on earth did you begin the design of the product. I at least when going down the electrical panel rabbit hole had the basis of metal conductivity and dissimilar metal reactions to base my assumptions on. Yet I have never seen anyone display the end result of altering the underlying physical characteristics of the base metal in a fuse, duplex, or cable to be able to point to a change that may result in sonics alterations.

Ted has done demo at shows and people I know have said they heard it and liked it. Yet social influencers watching the whole demo still called pooo on it and walked away. One I know even heard it himself. Yet said it was a lie. That Ted must have been somehow deceiving everyone. A magician. I believe he felt as such because he was given no way to qualify what was going on. Why owe why is there 0 quantifiable evidence. Even a sonic blat on a scope. Or a high magnification slice of metal. Or a calibrated room sweep before and after to show anything. Anything. I think that is what fires people up so much. Especially when the prices of tweaks can easily superseed the cost of an entire stereo. Why even bother buying good gear. Just get a Denon receiver and $80K in tweaks and your well ahead of the guy that bought any amp from a name recognized manufacturer.
 
Maybe I'm missing something... But when someone, or some company, is accused of committing a crime, there's usually a motive at play. What would the motive have been five years ago for SR deliver counterfeit fuses?
No motive. Ted was the one who brought this up, I answered his inquiry. No idea about the motive. That would be a question for Ted.

Tom
 
Could the counterfeit fuses been from a return and the customer pulled a bait and switch?
 
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That's what I was thinking....but 6 of them? (4 out of the six purchased were peeled back).

It doesn't matter. Ted doesn't care. Caveat Emptor.

Tom
 
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I think Ted got what he wanted here which is some engagement about his brand.

I can only say that (as a reviewer) I'm always a skeptic but also do somewhat enjoy Ted's eccentric demonstrations at various shows over the last 20 years. This last year, I brought a completely "non-audiophile" friend with me to a local show and when asked about what he thought of it all, his first response was "wow, that synergistic guy was super weird" which gave me a chuckle. He couldn't wait to get out of there.

That said - regardless of the wizard behind the curtains, I do "hear a difference" during the A/B demonstrations at the show. That has never inspired me to ask to review any of their stuff. I think the whole Tom Cruise thing put me off from it all considering that dudes background.

I think the issue I have with it all is that if I did have this stuff "in my system" I'd have to turn on my inner-d-bag-ness to explain it all to my non-audio buds (mostly musicians, how funny how that works) to which would probably nod their head to me to be kind but then walk away thinking - what the hell? Look, I can turn it on and off - do you hear that?!

Le Sigh.
 
I think Ted got what he wanted here which is some engagement about his brand.

I can only say that (as a reviewer) I'm always a skeptic but also do somewhat enjoy Ted's eccentric demonstrations at various shows over the last 20 years. This last year, I brought a completely "non-audiophile" friend with me to a local show and when asked about what he thought of it all, his first response was "wow, that synergistic guy was super weird" which gave me a chuckle. He couldn't wait to get out of there.

That said - regardless of the wizard behind the curtains, I do "hear a difference" during the A/B demonstrations at the show. That has never inspired me to ask to review any of their stuff. I think the whole Tom Cruise thing put me off from it all considering that dudes background.

I think the issue I have with it all is that if I did have this stuff "in my system" I'd have to turn on my inner-d-bag-ness to explain it all to my non-audio buds (mostly musicians, how funny how that works) to which would probably nod their head to me to be kind but then walk away thinking - what the hell? Look, I can turn it on and off - do you hear that?!

Le Sigh.
Welcome to WBF, narkotic!
 
Thanks? although not new around here, I just don't really participate in forums actively anymore. Was really big into it early 2000's when it made sense, but it almost feels like we're returning to that era now that we're all sick and tired of "AI" and chat bots poisoning social media et. Al.

The only issue I have with forum discourse (esp in the audio world) is that people don't know how to be / act around others and they just get defensive and ruin the experience. The only "interesting" thing I saw coming from this thread was the fuse debate. That got a chuckle out of me, somethings "never change" as the saying goes.
 

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