These filters need two LAN cables. Other than a Cat 8 cable, has anyone found others that sound good? Or is there a separate thread on this subject? All LAN cables do not sound the same.
Affordable ethernet filters
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I was sort of temporary setting up my system again and installed a mesh router. A Eero 6+. I put it next to my server and put a cheap Cat 6 from it to my server. I wonder, have I actually broken a noise chain on my digital side? This thread also go me thinking, why not drop a couple switches between the Eero and my server. To reclock the signal to my server. Can't hurt.
I have tired filters. A EM30 and a optical isolator. A big silver brick. Name escapes me now. I don't like the filters at all. They sound HIFI to me. Or compressed and closed in. But I do like a good switch. And I have read that stacking 2 to 3 switches is best. I actually bought a couple DLink switches to stack with my Linear Solution switch. They are sitting in the garage in a box. Time to dig around.
I have tired filters. A EM30 and a optical isolator. A big silver brick. Name escapes me now. I don't like the filters at all. They sound HIFI to me. Or compressed and closed in. But I do like a good switch. And I have read that stacking 2 to 3 switches is best. I actually bought a couple DLink switches to stack with my Linear Solution switch. They are sitting in the garage in a box. Time to dig around.
I am using a flat 5e that most likely came from a seller on Amazon. I don't hear any cable-induced shortcommings.
I hear 5 vs 6. Never tired 7 or higher. I have tried Home Depot 6 vs BlueJeans. I did not notice much if anything. I have tired an AudioQuest Cinimon. The AQ cable was a little darker. Not sure if it was color or not.
I did an A/B of Synergistic Foundation SX versus Blue Jeans. It made the Blue Jeans seem broken.
I was putting long ethernet runs in. Not jumpers from the wall to the server.
I believe people hear something. At this stage in my life, I question what is a listener's perception to my perception. Some of the ethernet filter people fall all over themselves and yarp to the world how great they are create an artificial HIFI sound to me and others whose houses I have brought them too. I ended up throwing 2 out as no one who I let try them, liked them.
In short, I think its very easy to color digital sound. That does not mean its pleasing color. Or that the addition of color along with filtering some noise might not be a sonic gain. It just means we all hear the end result and have to decide if that result is what is good in our
system.
For me, I like a good switch. I hear less color. A good switch can seem more neutral with less noise and better detail. A good switch with a good clock can technically be evaluated to show better data packet delivery. But then again, othes will tell me to shut it as the packets are opened and checked by the playback device and if they are bit perfect, who cares about the jitter. The receiving server has reclocked it. They say it comes down to electrical noise or other interference on the line. It's still a crap shoot on forums over what makes digital sound good. Companies like Inuous and Taiko seem to understand.
I believe people hear something. At this stage in my life, I question what is a listener's perception to my perception. Some of the ethernet filter people fall all over themselves and yarp to the world how great they are create an artificial HIFI sound to me and others whose houses I have brought them too. I ended up throwing 2 out as no one who I let try them, liked them.
In short, I think its very easy to color digital sound. That does not mean its pleasing color. Or that the addition of color along with filtering some noise might not be a sonic gain. It just means we all hear the end result and have to decide if that result is what is good in our
system.
For me, I like a good switch. I hear less color. A good switch can seem more neutral with less noise and better detail. A good switch with a good clock can technically be evaluated to show better data packet delivery. But then again, othes will tell me to shut it as the packets are opened and checked by the playback device and if they are bit perfect, who cares about the jitter. The receiving server has reclocked it. They say it comes down to electrical noise or other interference on the line. It's still a crap shoot on forums over what makes digital sound good. Companies like Inuous and Taiko seem to understand.
Working off this discussion, a search for “ethernet switch sound quality?” leads to a lot of discussions, reviews, etc., many of which likely don’t fall in the OP’s definition of affordable. It seems thet switch quality, power supply, reclocking, power cord and fuse potentially come into play, ethernet cabling aside. I had jordered a Wiim Ultimate at a Black Friday price for a start in this kind of streaming — I use an SSD to modded Oppo 203 via a good quality USB cable now — and am seeing it opens a big can of possibilities, or worms, depending how one looks at it.
I put my Linear Solution switch with and without a D link in front of it into the ethernet chain. My source is a Eero 6+ mesh router in wifi only mode next to the server. I heard nothing. I will listen later after they have had time to heat up and stabilize.
Worth checking out - Pink Faun network filter. No “tail” needed so no short cable run.
You can use them at one end or both. work very well, pink faun products are well regarded. I have 4 now.
www.pinkfaun.com
You can use them at one end or both. work very well, pink faun products are well regarded. I have 4 now.
LAN isolator - Pink Faun
The Pink Faun LAN isolator provides galvanic isolation between the device that is connected to the network and the network itself. Read more!
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I am going to have to hear more ethernet cables before I can determine if they are distorting or influencing the sound or not.
It seems to me that digital cables influence the sound in a different way than analog cables do.
It seems to me that digital cables influence the sound in a different way than analog cables do.
Republicoftexas69
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Here's a really good ethernet filter tweak... if your switch has a BNC clock input and its unused, block it using the Telos Quantum BNC cap.
I have used many RCA/XLR caps in the past and they do not always improve things, as sometimes socket caps can have a negative effect.
But the Telos Quantum BNC caps work very well, it may be the quantum conditioning, or if could just be noise the rejecting stuff they put in the cap ends. I now use them on my Naim 272 Streamer and an LHY SW-6 switch.
I have used many RCA/XLR caps in the past and they do not always improve things, as sometimes socket caps can have a negative effect.
But the Telos Quantum BNC caps work very well, it may be the quantum conditioning, or if could just be noise the rejecting stuff they put in the cap ends. I now use them on my Naim 272 Streamer and an LHY SW-6 switch.
I use Amphenol 75r BNC terminators in my network streamer and have experienced similar benefits. I get mine from Mouser.
I have no doubt the Amphenol caps are doing a worthwhile job. But the Telos Quantum caps have some kind of RFI blocking stuff in the cap end which is supposedly a key to its performance. Only their Quantum series has it, even the normal Telos caps are just your average gold plated caps.
And considering how few BNC caps we have to plug... its not cost prohibitive to use this product.
This BNC cap really made a difference on the Naim streamer as well. That digital board must be very susceptible to noise.
I compare this to the bad old days where I needed about 42 Cardas rca caps to plug up the preamp, blu-ray player and TV.
The 75r Amphenols I use are these:
Though brass has relatively low magnetic permeability (and thus low frequency RFI mitigation is hampered), the thickness of the brass body is more than enough to heavily attenuate any RFI that attempts to traverse the body into the connector itself.
For more than that, 3M's AB70XX series of RFI absorption fabrics can be wrapped around the connector.
I have, however, thoroughly treated the interior of my chassis with various thicknesses of 3M AB7000 series so there's nothing a single connector can possibly do that I haven't already done in spades in the interior of the chassis.
There may be a small improvement between the Telos and the Tol Amphenol terminators. But add some 3M AB7000 series fabric and I'm not sure who comes out of top there.
I have tried multiple LAN isolators
Ifi v1 and new ifi , acoustic revive ,
At the end I liked this one the most , it’s under 300USD ,
https://www.sellarz.com/goods/view?no=107
I got it from EBay , this is final filter before entering Grimm MU2 .
Ifi v1 and new ifi , acoustic revive ,
At the end I liked this one the most , it’s under 300USD ,
https://www.sellarz.com/goods/view?no=107
I got it from EBay , this is final filter before entering Grimm MU2 .
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