How much is too much?

i haven't read everything so i may be off base, but Soulution are about to raise prices quite significantly due to the swiss franc (which has appreciated almost 33% over the dollar). they said they are running at a loss at these prices - not sure if that is true but that is what i was told - guess you have to remember that almost 50% of the price is coming from the distribution and retail end.
 
It is becoming clear that I have pretty much said all I have to say about the philosophy of audio equipment. (whew!):D
 
So for instance, if one hasn't spent time optimizing their system for a low "noise floor" or say the difference between Teflon and polystyrene caps, then low level information, spatial information and harmonics textures will be lost. And no matter what I put in that system, that quality will never be heard.

How do you optimize a tube-based system for low noise?;) Seriously, tubes and noise go together like lamb and tuna fish-or make that peanut butter and jelly. You are always dancing with the noise devil when you have tubes in your system. I'm going to start sounding like a reformed smoker or an alcoholic fresh out of AA I just know it!

My tolerance for noise keeps going down. I'm amazed at what I used to put up with.
 
I think it's veal and tuna fish ;)

I'll check in on you in a couple of months Mark, for every gain there's somethin' lost. That's just life in an imperfect world :)
 
You are right Jack. Everything in life is a compromise. Will I ever go back to tubes? Never say never. I'm just weary and leary of them for the here and now.
 
Mark, no need to be weary or leary:D:D Wow, that sounds like something from the new Lady Gaga album:eek:

Like I suggested in the other thread, go with both ss and tubes, then you have the best of both worlds:cool:
 
Like I suggested in the other thread, go with both ss and tubes, then you have the best of both worlds:cool:

Ya think? I'm not so sure anymore. Do you want a tube pre to warm up your SS amp or a SS pre to unwarm your tube amp? I'm thinking it might be best not to have a mixed marriage in this case. When you mix and match SS and tubes, you always have potential impedance mismatches that can cause problems which causes unhappiness which causes your wallet to come out again.
 
Ya think? I'm not so sure anymore. Do you want a tube pre to warm up your SS amp or a SS pre to unwarm your tube amp? I'm thinking it might be best not to have a mixed marriage in this case. When you mix and match SS and tubes, you always have potential impedance mismatches that can cause problems which causes unhappiness which causes your wallet to come out again.

Well I remember David Wilson once saying that one had to have tubes somewhere in the recording chain :)
 
Actually what I was suggesting Mark, was with your ss pre-amp you use a tube amp and
a ss amp:cool:.....Not at the same time; but as an alternative to each other. This is what I do, and I can tell you it's a pretty good way to go.:D
 
Well I remember David Wilson once saying that one had to have tubes somewhere in the recording chain :)

Yeah, the recording chain...perfect place for a little noise.

Tim
 
Yeah, the recording chain...perfect place for a little noise.

Tim

Well I guess you only listen to all digital recordings and ignore the fact that the greatest recordings of all time were done with tube electronics. I'd take a Wilkie Decca or RVG BN or Impulse reissue or tape to any digital reproduction or new recording.
 
Well I guess you only listen to all digital recordings and ignore the fact that the greatest recordings of all time were done with tube electronics. I'd take a Wilkie Decca or RVG BN or Impulse reissue or tape to any digital reproduction or new recording.

Yep, some of my favorite recordings are analog and were recorded with tube mics and boards, and if I could remove the noise from them and get that "clinical" sound of the best digital, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Tim
 
Yep, some of my favorite recordings are analog and were recorded with tube mics and boards, and if I could remove the noise from them and get that "clinical" sound of the best digital, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Tim

When will you admit that analog has its distortions and digital has its own, unique set of distortions; some of us are just allergic to the digital distortions. And it's no coincidence that many digital recordings are mixed down to the analog domain before being released in digital. Do you know whether your recordings are mixed down to analog first?
 
When will you admit that analog has its distortions and digital has its own, unique set of distortions; some of us are just allergic to the digital distortions. And it's no coincidence that many digital recordings are mixed down to the analog domain before being released in digital. Do you know whether your recordings are mixed down to analog first?
I'll take that comment on: digital source typically has audible distortion when replayed, obviously of a different nature from analogue, but there is no inherent reason why it should be heard. The difference is that analogue distortion is tied up in the very nature and limitations of the physical media itself, it is incapable of capturing the signal without various distortions being added that will be audible with a sufficiently competent system. But digital can be made to be inherently distortion free, in the audible to us humans sense, simply by by making the electronics of a decent quality that are doing the recording job. The analogy in the visual arena is that there is inherently no limit to how high res images can be made as compared with the limitations of film grain, etc.

So why do so many people still have problems with digital playback? Because, making digital playback work properly, not add audible distortion of an unpleasant nature is hard, and the industry still hasn't got a firm grasp on all the factors involved ...

Frank
 
Myles

But which one do you think has the least amount of distortions? surely not analog as we know it?
 
When will you admit that analog has its distortions and digital has its own, unique set of distortions; some of us are just allergic to the digital distortions. And it's no coincidence that many digital recordings are mixed down to the analog domain before being released in digital. Do you know whether your recordings are mixed down to analog first?

That would be like "admitting" the sun rises in the East. Of course digital has its distortions. That doesn't mean I can't prefer it. It doesn't even mean that it can't be better. Tubes? Tube mic preamps can add a very interesting effect, as can tube boards. But an effect is not something I typically want imposed on an entire recording. YMMV.

Tim
 
Well, actually the sun does not rise, the earth rotates giving the illusion of the sun rising.:D
 

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