HP- Why I Quit the Absolute Sound or: Path to Personal Revelation

Andre, I personally don't like the merry go round either, but for others it's fun to swap things out once in a while. Aren't reviewers always on the meery-go-round?:)

As for comparisons, the more the better. I thought Tone did comparisons, but I don't remember any, reading the amplifier issue a few months back. Personally, I think it's a sin not to highlight the differences. Like I said above, whatever anyone thinks is "best" is irrelevant, but differences matter a whole lot. But I was bouncing around on an exercise machine while reading the file on the iPad, so maybe I missed them.

Well said caeser.

Well, then it must be said, unequivocally, that those on the merry go around are about equipment. The music is second. There is no
other conclusion. Swapping boxes is and of its self the end game.:)

No reviewers are not a merry go round, because we get PAID, we do not pay to have an endless stream of equipment come through.
We don't spend time at dealers, we don't run up our credit cards, etc. We don't feel angst at not having that last 3% of performance.

Of course there are exceptions. Michael Fremer bought the XLFs after 3 or 4 yeas with the Maxx series and so on.

BTW, I am not saying Tone does extensive comparisons in EVERY review. Impossible.
 
Woah, dude! Be nice.:cool:

Ok, so you say you are not some rich guy who went on a flight of fancy. Even at a claimed "discount" it seems rather an odd
way to go about auditioning speakers. You fully admitted it was a PAID audition. So don't blame Magico, or Valin or anybody else
just because you read his reviews and got a hard on.

Secondly, you know nothing about my readers.

Where the sun don't shine? That is dark place!!!:p
To me if there were no merry go rounds there would be no reviewers to offer the readers a permission slip to buy or enjoy the purchases and we would be talking about the music, the experience and the joy.

I don't read reviews and have not for a long time, i look at the pictures like a six year old.
At this time in my life and career I don't need no stinkin badges ( reviews)
 
Woah, dude! Be nice.:cool:

Ok, so you say you are not some rich guy who went on a flight of fancy. Even at a claimed "discount" it seems rather an odd
way to go about auditioning speakers. You fully admitted it was a PAID audition. So don't blame Magico, or Valin or anybody else
just because you read his reviews and got a hard on.

Secondly, you know nothing about my readers.

Where the sun don't shine? That is dark place!!!:p

Andre, in the scheme of things we are all very rich and lucky. There are millions of people in the world who get by on $1 or $2 a day. So please let's not go there.

As for Priaptor's approach of buying at a good price, trying it in his home, and selling if he doesn't like, it is the best and most rational strategy for people to figure out what they want.

As we all know, the gear is heavy and expensive. And our tastes are personal and specific. There is no better way to figure out if something is right for us other than to live with it for 3-4 months. This is especially beneficial if you can get a great deal to minimize your loss when reselling or even make some money, as Priaptor did.
 
(...) That's not saying it's desirable to have live music as a reference but the reality is that our frame of reference is actually what is put down on tape and hard disc.

Myles,

I can not agree with you. The reference from reality comes even from what is put down on the tape and in the hard disk. The sound engineers try to put on the recording what is needed to recreate something that approaches the reality they have experienced. Their reference is reality and it should be our reference later. We all have sound experiences of reality every minute, and we can not erase them.

Surely for some recordings no one can know what was the original intention of the artist or producer, but appraisal of sound quality is a statistical affair - people should not focus on single experiences.

IMHO, even indirectly, for most of us the frame of reference is always the reality.
 
Your dogs actually want to get into a car with you?
 
As for Priaptor's approach of buying at a good price, trying it in his home, and selling if he doesn't like, it is the best and most rational strategy for people to figure out what they want.

Exactly my approach. It has worked brilliantly...
 
Andre, in the scheme of things we are all very rich and lucky. There are millions of people in the world who get by on $1 or $2 a day. So please let's not go there.

As for Priaptor's approach of buying at a good price, trying it in his home, and selling if he doesn't like, it is the best and most rational strategy for people to figure out what they want.

As we all know, the gear is heavy and expensive. And our tastes are personal and specific. There is no better way to figure out if something is right for us other than to live with it for 3-4 months. This is especially beneficial if you can get a great deal to minimize your loss when reselling or even make some money, as Priaptor did.

Totally agree with you caeser. Everyone is entitled to their own approach.

But Priaptor need to suck it up, and NOT BLAME others like the audio press, Valin, or the "hype" machine for his folly.
 
To me if there were no merry go rounds there would be no reviewers to offer the readers a permission slip to buy or enjoy the purchases and we would be talking about the music, the experience and the joy.

I don't read reviews and have not for a long time, i look at the pictures like a six year old.
At this time in my life and career I don't need no stinkin badges ( reviews)

To tell you the truth, I am thrilled that most audiophiles are on the merry go around. Otherwise
the hobby would have died years ago. Those with disposable income, lots of time, and the inclination
are what audio empires, publications, and dealers rely on.:D
 
I'm way too lazy, and would never have the time for all that back and forth.;)

It is a bit of a hassle, and the biggest winner in the whole racket is obviously Fedex. The laziness kicks in for me when it comes to swapping out speakers. The prospect of having to pack up and ship 2000lbs worth of crates is what will prevent me from trying other speakers, although if/when a pair of TAD R1 shows up for 40K used I'll bite the bullet and try them.
 
Woah, dude! Be nice.:cool:

Ok, so you say you are not some rich guy who went on a flight of fancy. Even at a claimed "discount" it seems rather an odd
way to go about auditioning speakers. You fully admitted it was a PAID audition. So don't blame Magico, or Valin or anybody else
just because you read his reviews and got a hard on.

Secondly, you know nothing about my readers.

Where the sun don't shine? That is dark place!!!:p

No nitwit, once again, you make assumptions that show how clueless you are. You judge your readers veracity based on the fact that they read your junk.

You are clearly a legend in your own mind.

First, I blame no one. Not Valin, not Magico, not anyone. I, myself, unlike the drones like your followers, make my own decisions in life. As it turned out, the opportunity I and I ALONE chose to take advantage of made me some nice cash while auditioning equipment in the best way I know how, namely listening in ones own listening environment rather than the useless diatribe of reviewers with financial interests.

The point I make about Valin and other's undying love for Magico, is that I can speak from experience that their perspectives are hyped and BS.

Now crawl back into your little audio hole and patronize your followers I mean readers.
 
No nitwit, once again, you make assumptions that show how clueless you are. You judge your readers veracity based on the fact that they read your junk.

You are clearly a legend in your own mind.

First, I blame no one. Not Valin, not Magico, not anyone. I, myself, unlike the drones like your followers, make my own decisions in life. As it turned out, the opportunity I and I ALONE chose to take advantage of made me some nice cash while auditioning equipment in the best way I know how, namely listening in ones listening environment rather than the useless diatribe of reviewers with financial interests.

The point I make about Valin and other's undying love for Magico, is that I can speak from experience that their perspectives are hyped and BS.

Now crawl back into your little audio hole and patronize your followers I mean readers.

You are a nasty old bugger. :eek:
 
Uh, Oh! Ad hominem dominem. Time for a moderator time out, or wigs on the green.
 
I guess Harley thinks this will preserve the Magico revenue stream, now that Valin has dumped them. Here's Harley on Alexandria 2, just a few short years ago:

"The Wilson Audio Alexandria X-2 Series 2 is hands-down the best loudspeaker I’ve had in my listening room in nearly 20 years of full-time reviewing. It possesses a remarkable combination of sheer explosive power and seemingly unlimited dynamics with a sublime delicacy, refinement, and subtlety. This is a speaker that “disappears” in the sense that its presentation—from the size and power of the climax of a symphony’s fourth movement to an intimate guitar and vocal performance—is determined purely by the recording.
I began this review by commenting on the X-2’s extraordinary sense of musical intimacy. At the end of the day, this is why we pursue musical realism in the home through high-performance audio equipment—to feel the composer or performer speaking directly to us. The X-2 achieves this illusive ideal better than any loudspeaker I know of."

Not much difference between his claim that Magico is the most significant product in the last 23 years and his declarations of love to Wilson.

The truth is you can't trust anyone in this hobby. The expert predictions, even if not blatantly self-interested, are often wrong. Look at economic predictions, sports predictions, etc. They are way off from reality. It's not any different for high-end audio. That's why the customers looking for audio gear need to take all expert opinions and average them out. Specific to speakers, Valin now thinks Rida-hoe is the best, Atkinson thinks MBL X-tremes are "IT", and Fremer just bought Alexandria XLF's. Those auditioning can probably add others to the list like Vivid Giya, TAD R1 (with warm amps!), YG, and another few. But the reality is that all of these are different. There is not one speaker that truly dominates another speaker on all criteria.

The criteria we evaluate the speakers to determine "BEST" is very personal. Is a Ferrari better than a Japanese mini-van? If you have a family and a dog, the 2 seat sports car is not better. For a way to meet women, I'll take the Ferrari! But the Japanese minivan is an engineering marvel in its own right: the gas mileage, the quality of manufacturing, manufacturing consistency, and even gas mileage of the minivan beats the Ferrari. However, for that visceral "UFCK YEAH" feeling, it's hard to beat the red Ferrari.


With speakers, we all have needs and objectives. Some are determined by how our references of what music sounds like have evolved. If you are a drummer in a rock band it will be different than if you are an audiophile listening to a female vocalist on your Quads for the last 35 years. Other times, people just get sick of what they have been listening to for years and want a change.

I agree that the magazines are not on the side of the customer. They have their own goals. The magazines will never compare the differences between the gear for the consumer, and their "BEST" declarations are useless. We have to average the expert opinions, shorten the list of gear to audition, and go listen for our selves. Once we do the due diligence and figure out what the best is for us, no one will be able to convince us of anything else by calling it "best".

They obviously didn't learn one lesson from HP: leave yourself wriggle room for something better :)
 
I agree, a time out is appropriate at this point.


If you get a chance to watch Hiromi live - you won't regret it. She's got an energy at the keyboards that a mere YouTube video cannot convey.

My favorite Jazz CD acquired in 2012 was Stanley Clark's "Jazz in the Garden", featuring Stanley on bass, Hiromi on Piano and Lenny White on drums. Phenomenal stuff.
 
My favorite Jazz CD acquired in 2012 was Stanley Clark's "Jazz in the Garden", featuring Stanley on bass, Hiromi on Piano and Lenny White on drums. Phenomenal stuff.

Thanks, edorr. I've got every one of Hiromi's CDs. I didn't realize she accompanied Stanley Clark as part of his trio. Just bought it.
 
Thanks, edorr. I've got every one of Hiromi's CDs. I didn't realize she accompanied Stanley Clark as part of his trio. Just bought it.

Not just phenomenal music ("paradigm shift" and "sicilian blue" in particular are tunes to die for), but also the best recorded acoustic bass on any CD I own.
 
Merry go round buying a good thing ??
People who are in a merry go round , have usually not a clue where they are going , is that a good thing?
i dont think so .
But you cant put all the magazines in one bag , i personally think soundstage does a pretty good job and includes some of the highest priced (and maybe best) stuff stereophile is also quit good .
In holland the reviewing level aint very high in general , in my opinion , when i was a hifi beginner hifi reviews mattered a lot , nowadays , i couldnt care less
 

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