Magico M9

We should not get too upset with reviewers. I don't think I have ever let a review decide my choice of equipment. My dealer does that and he is 100% impartial. It is mere coincidence that the best stuff happens to be not only limited to the brands he carries (at that point in time) but the models he also has in stock. Life is not a mystery.

LMFAO !! good one Howie, I almost spat out my drink reading that :p
 
We should not get too upset with reviewers. I don't think I have ever let a review decide my choice of equipment. My dealer does that and he is 100% impartial. It is mere coincidence that the best stuff happens to be not only limited to the brands he carries (at that point in time) but the models he also has in stock. Life is not a mystery.
I always love it when a dealer talks down the gear the other dealer in town carries. :)
 
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hifi magazines live from the advertising that big companies advertise to you. I think it's nice to read, some authors have a very good writing for exsampe jürgen egger image hifi, germany. I like people who have a little self-deprecation. But the companies that place advertisements always do well in the test. Clearly you don't bite the hand that feeds you.
This why the original The Absolute Sound didn’t take advertising...however that was apparently not economically viable...
 
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This why the original The Absolute Sound didn’t take advertising...however that was apparently not economically viable...
A little story about it, there was once a German magazine called "Klartext". in the third edition, the Teac X1s and the Swoboda Sony CD player were compared. the author wrote that Swoboda Sony would sound like children’s brass instruments. 4 weeks later the magazine was no longer available. Sony has sued them.;)
 
A little story about it, there was once a German magazine called "Klartext". in the third edition, the Teac X1s and the Swoboda Sony CD player were compared. the author wrote that Swoboda Sony would sound like children’s brass instruments. 4 weeks later the magazine was no longer available. Sony has sued them.;)
Amar Bose had the same Dictum--he'd sue the ass of anyone who dared print a bad review:mad:!

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I am referring to his "It's not rocket science - you look at a lot of stuff they review and it comes from the same importer - Art Dudley reviews a steady diet of Tone Imports and so does Jack Roberts formerly on our staff - driving distance to the importer/dealer. Nothing wrong with that in itself because it's easier to just pick up the phone and say - hey send me a Shindo, send me a DeVore, send me a Leben, Send me a Sugden. You have an importer/dealer happy to send stuff. But then your decision making process isn't really originating from YOU the reviewer now is it? No - it is originating from what a DEALER - a SALESMAN happens to carry."

You said you like his honesty. Odd as it may seem, the audio press is people - just like in any office or business and it just is that there are sometimes jealousies, squabbles, territories, different points of view and occasionally a kook or two. I'd be a wee bit cautious with that thread - it's not evidence of much.

Dudley was a columnist who also wrote reviews and talked about rabbits. It's a bit different when you have to produce a column every issue.

There was a time when I was told by the publisher/editor what I was to write about. That was the price I paid for being a novice. I could say 'no' once in a while, but I was fairly open to exploring stuff I otherwise would not have tried. Nowadays I write about what I want to write about - that's a blessing as far as I am concerned - whether I choose the product or it is offered to me. I won't write about something I have no interest in or do not like. I have no problem saying that is a built in bias. That's where Austen is not quite on it - it's not a salesman/dealer that is setting the review agenda if the reviewer has the ability to decline.
 
There was a time when I was told by the publisher/editor what I was to write about. That was the price I paid for being a novice. I could say 'no' once in a while, but I was fairly open to exploring stuff I otherwise would not have tried. Nowadays I write about what I want to write about - that's a blessing as far as I am concerned - whether I choose the product or it is offered to me. I won't write about something I have no interest in or do not like. I have no problem saying that is a built in bias. That's where Austen is not quite on it - it's not a salesman/dealer that is setting the review agenda if the reviewer has the ability to decline.

Sure totally understand there are some products one can decline, but I think everyone has many products they would like to investigate
 
You said you like his honesty. Odd as it may seem, the audio press is people - just like in any office or business and it just is that there are sometimes jealousies, squabbles, territories, different points of view and occasionally a kook or two. I'd be a wee bit cautious with that thread - it's not evidence of much.

Dudley was a columnist who also wrote reviews and talked about rabbits. It's a bit different when you have to produce a column every issue.

There was a time when I was told by the publisher/editor what I was to write about. That was the price I paid for being a novice. I could say 'no' once in a while, but I was fairly open to exploring stuff I otherwise would not have tried. Nowadays I write about what I want to write about - that's a blessing as far as I am concerned - whether I choose the product or it is offered to me. I won't write about something I have no interest in or do not like. I have no problem saying that is a built in bias. That's where Austen is not quite on it - it's not a salesman/dealer that is setting the review agenda if the reviewer has the ability to decline.
I was never told what I had to review...I was always just informing the magazine what I would review...I guess with an online mag it's different...
 
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If not the source of too much infighting or some form of NDA/unwritten rule dictating principled silence. Who among the established pool of reviewers is getting a set of Magico M9 for review?

Nobody is a reply that would fail to surprise.
 
We should not get too upset with reviewers. I don't think I have ever let a review decide my choice of equipment. My dealer does that and he is 100% impartial. It is mere coincidence that the best stuff happens to be not only limited to the brands he carries (at that point in time) but the models he also has in stock. Life is not a mystery.
So true!
 
If not the source of too much infighting or some form of NDA/unwritten rule dictating principled silence. Who among the established pool of reviewers is getting a set of Magico M9 for review?

Nobody is a reply that would fail to surprise.

My guess is R. Harley for TAS
 
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I like your response Bob West :). Very straight forward. Audio is a money losing hobby. I think it is super for you getting to enjoy this expensive hobby while no longer bleed. I don't think audio is only about enjoy listening to music. If it is then ear buds and a hand phone would do me just fine. Exploration is what keeping me in audio. You are so fortunate to be able to explore so many great gears. If you like M9 more than the WAMM, I don't suspect you of anything. Only wondering how these two speakers differ. It is a M9 thread. I would be very much interested in hearing from you who have listened both speakers in different system. You can describe more the two speakers as "system" if you will. This would give us a better glimpse of M9.
Thanks for the kind words Tang, much appreciated.

I am a crappy reviewer because I have not developed a set of criteria of my own, though I do think doing so will be good for me. I have an engineering background but have never really approached this hobby from an analytical perspective, mostly letting my subjective senses determine what I like or do not like. Does a system move me, grab me, connect me with the music? Is it balanced? Can it rock? Can it be delicate, nuanced, and sensual? Beyond that, speaking for myself, I am not confident making quick judgement as I have been infatuated with something only for that to pass when I learn the shortcomings — which sometimes means living with a new component for a while.

Back to my WAMM vs M9 comparison. The WAMM were part of a Dagostino / dCS / Transparent system. They were in a dealer showroom in Seattle. I was invited for a private audition and travelled up from Portland with a friend. It was a snotty, rainy, wet day and the drive sucked — on the freeway with road spray from semi-trucks and heavy traffic. I was tired, stressed, and probably carrying some anxiety from the drive. (argh, Seattle traffic!) The dealer showroom was too small for the speakers, so it was a very near-field setup. And, it isn’t a great showroom overall to begin with. The dealer had a list of music he played, lots of classical which was boring, but the sound was very, very good. Depth, detail, power and slam. When we turned off the subs it was still very, very good but the subs definitely added visceral energy to the room, adding meat to the bone. When it was over I remember thinking awesome speakers, but I specifically remember talking about the experience on the drive home. My friend and I both had the same conclusion — amazing speakers but neither of us had a real “wow” experience. When I got home my wife was afraid — she was worried I‘d be talking about speakers for the next several week. I did not. I described the experience and that was that. I spoke very little about the WAMM.

In comparison, after hearing the Diesis Roma at Bob’s place a couple years back, I couldn’t stop talking about them. Perhaps these speakers, while they would have been a stretch, were within the realm of affordability so that fueled my passion? I told all my audio buddies about them, wishing we could make a trip to NYC for a listen. I blogged about them here in the forum. I told everyone in the Portland Audio Club. I compared them to my Wilsons every time I listened for the next several weeks at least. I was smitten.

When I flew to California to hear the M9 it was during covid last spring. I do not carry much Covid anxiety, but the anxiety was everywhere. Traveling with a mask sucked. I hate masks. When we landed I was hoping there would be food at the airport but nothing. We got to Magico and Alon very graciously had one of his crew drive over and pickup some sandwiches. We sat in the company lunchroom, socially distanced, and got acquainted. I had lots of questions, and Alon was kind and patient in answering them all. Then we got a great tour of the factory before stepping into the listening room. The real reason for my trip was to hear the Pilium kit, Alon was showing the M9 with the Alexander pre-amp and two pair of Hercules mono-blocks. The DAC was the MSB Select, I do not recall the cable loom. The showroom at Magico sounded and felt a lot like my own listening room, it was quiet yet not dead, and it was large so we didn’t have a near-field seat. Sadly, we weren’t able to spend as long as we wished (I was accompanied by the same friend who’d traveled with me to hear the WAMM.) Alon was choosing the music, he did not subject me to endless classical, but from the very first notes I was gobsmacked. The speakers, for all their imposing stature, disappeared and there was only glorious music that filled the room, wall to wall, floor to ceiling. Small triangles and bells floated six feet above the speakers (no, I don’t recall any of the tracks played.) Everything was in perfect proportion and scale (OK, if I had one little nit there was one track where the singer’s voice seemed scaled up a little bit like she had a very large head.) Bass was remarkably clean, fast, deep, tight with incredible tonal density.

On the flight back my friend and I remarked how much more we were impressed by the M9 vs. the WAMM, how much more we were drawn into the music. I blogged a little about it here, and my wife heard about it for days. It was covid time, so we were not having audio club meetings — I’m sure I would have told everyone.

Not much of a detailed reviewer’s notes of comparison. One pair of speakers/system left me with a “yeah, so?” experience, the other pair had me thinking about, talking about them for days. That is my experience. If The WAMM were shown in a suitable room I may have had a completely different take on them. (I would love to hear them with the Pilium kit — the Dagostino gear is the only thing the Seattle dealer seems to pair with the bigger Wilson models, and while excellent gear I have never really been wowed. But that‘s just me.)
 
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Ooooo - scare quotes around "reviewers". Why are you suggesting dishonesty Jeffrey?

Reviewers can buy on accomodation just as any member of the audio industry can. It's not a secret. Reviewers don't review products to get them free or at a discount - they can purchase from any manufacturer who offers accomodation. No one gets free. I see it as part of compensation and incentive to do the work - apart from columnists, reviewers get almost nothing for a review. An entertaining and well researched review can easily take hundreds of hours across two to six months. Reviewers do get something because the publisher wants to own the review product. And they get the opportunity to purchase at a discount, using their own money.
Cables are free and everything else is 50% retail. Its well known and is what it is.

If you see industry accommodation as "part of your compensation" then you are not an impartial reviewer. This is why I only trust Consumer Reports for reviews on consumer goods.
 
Cables are free? You mean you can be a poor reviewer, struggling to put food on the table, but a stupidly expensive loom sits in your room, gratis?
 
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Cables are free and everything else is 50% retail. Its well known and is what it is.

If you see industry accommodation as "part of your compensation" then you are not an impartial reviewer. This is why I only trust Consumer Reports for reviews on consumer goods.

Be gentle. He is stressed from reviewing Lamm, SRA, ARC phonos, and such. Job can lead to burnout pretty quickly
 
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