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The Netherlands, having means makes it easier to expose kids to art in general but there is enough that can be done for very little or for free...you do not need to bring them to the Guggenheim in Bilbao there are free exhibitions, street art, even the Concertgebouw Orchestra has free matinees and rehearsals etc.
IMO it is the awareness and perseverance of the parents that makes the difference, more so than their means.
IMO it is the awareness and perseverance of the parents that makes the difference, more so than their means.
Yes, I know that in the Netherlands very few homes have air-conditioning.
PS: I left Schipol Airport this morning!
Interesting cultural emphasis. I asked about art education because there are many wonderful Dutch artists. But I could not think of a single Dutch composer.
You’re in The Netherlands, not the USA with its libertarian values. The government subsidizes arts and culture in the Netherlands, the US subsidizes military firms. Apples to oranges.
Government shows commitment to culture with major funding drive
The arts and heritage sectors in the Netherlands are to receive major government investment to maintain their high quality, now and in the future. Culture minister Ingrid van Engelshoven has announced plans to spend €80 million each year on culture, and earmarked an additional €325 million over...
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And you win the discussion Tim. Now back to the US Open where the bullshit Russian came to play.
that seems like a great thing, truth is that much was 'rationalized' out of education in the last 4 decades, to a point where school education became paper thin...so that 'extra' spending is dearly needed.You’re in The Netherlands, not the USA with its libertarian values. The government subsidizes arts and culture in the Netherlands, the US subsidizes military firms. Apples to oranges.
Government shows commitment to culture with major funding drive
The arts and heritage sectors in the Netherlands are to receive major government investment to maintain their high quality, now and in the future. Culture minister Ingrid van Engelshoven has announced plans to spend €80 million each year on culture, and earmarked an additional €325 million over...
I grew up in Austria, but there was no learning instruments in schools. Music education (without learning to play instruments) in the advanced grades was a choice in our school; you could also choose visual arts instead. That was in the Seventies.
And that in the famous country of music. If you were into playing an instrument, that was outside school.
Don't forget Matthijs Vermeulen! Incredible composer of very polyphonic symphonies. Absolute top notch.
Oh, I'm not saying there are no Dutch composers. I did search the Web before making my comment. Prior to that none came to mind nor did a Dutch School or style. I too enjoy Mahler but do not think of him as a representative of Dutch music; he did have some history there.
Please offer a catalog number and title for a famous Dutch composed symphony on LP (not CD) that you like and I'll look for it.
Edit: I do enjoy Haitink's conducting.
Yes, I am afraid you don’t...we don’t even use air conditioning in Switzerland...I lived seven years in Cali and only ran AC at night in the peak of summer...other, less hot places probably rarely if ever run AC at night.
I enjoy Haitink too, do you knowJaap van Zweden (former Violin player now conducting internationally)? A few years ago, when we still had such things like performing art....I saw him perform Mahler 6th and 8th in Rotterdam, truly grand performances.
I don't think historically there really ever was something you could call a Dutch school of composers, we never had the long periods of a Royal rule and lifestyle like France or Germany and Austria.
I do not yet 'do 'Vinyl, but am in the process of finding a 16"transcription turntable to get me started, now some 40 years into audio I got converted by a night of listening to some special first pressings a while ago.
Joep Beving can be found on Qobuz, and probably in many places, Louis Andriessen is also fairly common. Of the names I mentioned I like Joep beving most, as I'm not that find of atonal/'modern' classical.
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Thanks for pointing out two Dutch composers.
Looks like Joep Beving is very contemporary. I didn't see anything resembling a symphony or orchestral from him, but that's not the be all end all. It looks like he is a solo artist playing piano. Discogs classifies his music as Classical genre and Contemporary style.
The first comment I saw for his "Solipsism" album said this:
The genre is absolutely NOT classical nor has it anything to do with a western classical music tradition. It is more a kind of popular easy listening music. The fact that this music has been played on a piano doesn't make it classical music.
The music of Louis Andriessen is characterized by Discogs as Modern Classical, Experimental or Post Modern. His piece 'De Staat' (The State) is for 4 women's voices, 4 oboes, 4 horns, 4 trumpets, 4 trombones, 2 electric guitars, bass guitar, 2 pianos, 2 harps and 2 violas
My original point about few Dutch composers and a long history of fine Dutch visual artists was not a criticism. It was meant to correlate with your observation that there is visual artistic education in early school but little to no music education. It is an interesting cultural emphasis.
Very nice music.Joep Beving and LPs music | Discogs
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Discogs is a good source for information about albums whether on LP or otherwise.
Thanks for pointing out two Dutch composers.
Looks like Joep Beving is very contemporary. I didn't see anything resembling a symphony or orchestral from him, but that's not the be all end all. It looks like he is a solo artist playing piano. Discogs classifies his music as Classical genre and Contemporary style.
The first comment I saw for his "Solipsism" album said this:
The genre is absolutely NOT classical nor has it anything to do with a western classical music tradition. It is more a kind of popular easy listening music. The fact that this music has been played on a piano doesn't make it classical music.
The music of Louis Andriessen is characterized by Discogs as Modern Classical, Experimental or Post Modern. His piece 'De Staat' (The State) is for 4 women's voices, 4 oboes, 4 horns, 4 trumpets, 4 trombones, 2 electric guitars, bass guitar, 2 pianos, 2 harps and 2 violas
My original point about few Dutch composers and a long history of fine Dutch visual artists was not a criticism. It was meant to correlate with your observation that there is visual artistic education in early school but little to no music education. It is an interesting cultural emphasis.
I am honestly not sure where to put Beving, it is more contemporary than classical, Andriessen is too far out for my taste but I listen to neither of them a whole lot.
I did not take your point as critisism, my response was not clear perhaps...there is not much of ANY serious or targeted art eduction in our schools other than painting the scenery in broad strokes which goes for visual and musical education.
My 5 year old brings home that he suddenly pick out an instrument from whatever music I am listening to, and that I am sure he picked up at school. At home I expose him to everything from Mahler (he LOVES Mahler 2nd) to EDM and try to explain bits and pieces but focus on letting him 'sample' different music so he can see what he likes or wants to explore.
I did not take your point as critisism, my response was not clear perhaps...there is not much of ANY serious or targeted art eduction in our schools other than painting the scenery in broad strokes which goes for visual and musical education.
My 5 year old brings home that he suddenly pick out an instrument from whatever music I am listening to, and that I am sure he picked up at school. At home I expose him to everything from Mahler (he LOVES Mahler 2nd) to EDM and try to explain bits and pieces but focus on letting him 'sample' different music so he can see what he likes or wants to explore.
There’s also this big trend for new solo piano atmos type music to be ridiculously close mic’d on the keyboards, hammers and pedals so just everything creaks… whenever I hear an album that starts with fake record crackle efx, someone playing back a phone conversation message from their grandmother or even worse solo piano music recorded with plate mics attached to every part of the piano I have an instant conniption…Joep Beving and LPs music | Discogs
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Discogs is a good source for information about albums whether on LP or otherwise.
Thanks for pointing out two Dutch composers.
Looks like Joep Beving is very contemporary. I didn't see anything resembling a symphony or orchestral from him, but that's not the be all end all. It looks like he is a solo artist playing piano. Discogs classifies his music as Classical genre and Contemporary style.
The first comment I saw for his "Solipsism" album said this:
The genre is absolutely NOT classical nor has it anything to do with a western classical music tradition. It is more a kind of popular easy listening music. The fact that this music has been played on a piano doesn't make it classical music.
The music of Louis Andriessen is characterized by Discogs as Modern Classical, Experimental or Post Modern. His piece 'De Staat' (The State) is for 4 women's voices, 4 oboes, 4 horns, 4 trumpets, 4 trombones, 2 electric guitars, bass guitar, 2 pianos, 2 harps and 2 violas
My original point about few Dutch composers and a long history of fine Dutch visual artists was not a criticism. It was meant to correlate with your observation that there is visual artistic education in early school but little to no music education. It is an interesting cultural emphasis.
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