Modern speakers vs Vintage speakers

[hopkins]

motive for many were just to get access to gear at reduced prices, or even free on eternal home loans
lot of that stuff was later sold in 2:nd hand market and effectively turned out to be bribes

Not to mention that some will ask companies to purchase advertising in exchange for a review...

 

[mtemur]

The super tweeters bass impact is probably phase related and overtones that relate perception throughout the whole frequency range.

And also impedance related.

 

[DasguteOhr]

At that time, efficiency was required for loudspeakers, which resulted in high development costs. Amplifiers had no power, except perhaps for cinema. These days you can get watts in abundance without having to worry about speaker efficiency. The amplifier compensates for the deficits - a fatal development in my opinion. Linear, efficient speakers are now much more expensive to produce than building a good amplifier.

 

[christensenleif@msn.com]

several companies refused to ship stuff to reviewers, because they thought they could keep it "forever"

 

[Ron Resnick]

"Audiophile playlists" full of "soul-less" songs, where you are listening to "sounds" more than "music" also tend to steer you towards certain performance criteria.

I thought "we" (the collective we) had gotten past the arrogance of "my music is better/more worthy/superior/more valuable than your music."

 

[bonzo75]

I thought "we" (the collective we) had gotten past the arrogance of "my music is better/more worthy/superior/more valuable than your music."

There clearly is certain music and associated pressings that help audition more effectively than others. This has nothing to do with what music you might prefer to listen to while driving a car, or for your own personal enjoyment

 

[christensenleif@msn.com]

my best indication for evaluating my system, is that I can play anything that comes into my mind, regardless of source or recording quality

 

[PeterA]

I thought "we" (the collective we) had gotten past the arrogance of "my music is better/more worthy/superior/more valuable than your music."

I don’t think that was his point. His point is that reviewers picked apart the sound and put it into bits and pieces by identifying sonic attributes in gear they were reviewing. This was then highlighted by certain recordings, so then if you bought those recordings, you would tend to hear those things, pre-conditioned by what you read, then agree with the reviewer and then buy that gear. It was a convenient symbiotic relationship that worked well for the industry and got people all talking the same language and listening for the same sonic attributes, the same bits and pieces, and buying the same stuff. And then cables and footers and accessories enhanced this.

I used to read the reviews and chose my gear for sounds rather than for the holistic listening experience that reminded me of real music.

 

[hopkins]

I thought "we" (the collective we) had gotten past the arrogance of "my music is better/more worthy/superior/more valuable than your music."

You are right to set me straight on this one. Let me put it more "diplomatically". I believe a sizeable portion of audiophiles spend a lot of time listening to music that does not particularly move them but that lets them contemplate the sounds produced by their systems.

I'll add that I have fallen into that trap at times.

 

[hopkins]

I don’t think that was his point. His point is that reviewers picked a part the sound and put it into bits and pieces by identifying sonic attributes in gear they were reviewing. This was then highlighted by certain recordings, so then if you bought those recordings, you would tend to hear those thing, pre-condition by what you read, then agree with the reviewer and then buy that gear. It was a convenient symbiotic relationship that worked well for the industry and got people all talking the same language and listening for the same sonic attributes, The same bits and pieces, and buying the same stuff. And then cables and footers and accessories enhanced this.

I used to read the reviews and chose my gear for sounds rather than for the holistic listening experience that reminded me of real music.

That too. There is a snowball effect. There's a reason why we keep hearing the same tracks in demos.

 

[christensenleif@msn.com]

Hugh Masekela coal train......ha ha

 

[mtemur]

You are right to set me straight on this one. Let me put it more "diplomatically". I believe a sizeable portion of audiophiles spend a lot of time listening to music that does not particularly move them but that lets them contemplate the sounds produced by their systems.

I'll add that I have fallen into that trap at times.

Unfortunately many audiophiles use music as a tool to enjoy gear. This situation limits the selection to demo music. It should be the opposite. Amps, speakers, source components, cables, all should be used as a tool to enjoy music.

I enjoy almost all kinds of music except hip-hop but my knowledge is very limited on classical. If you ask me to recommend a classical music conductor I might say Paul Mauriat.

 

[Bobvin]

Hugh Masekela coal train......ha ha

Come on man, thats a great cut. Not for demo (only) but if you think your system is sucking put that song on and sit back and enjoy. Its a remarkable live recording. It sounds good even on a transistor radio. You come away thinking “hey, my system is not too bad afterall.”

 

[MarcelNL]

And also impedance related.

that is easily tested ( we did that) by connecting the tweeter but blocking the sound

 

[christensenleif@msn.com]

Come on man, thats a great cut. Not for demo (only) but if you think your system is sucking put that song on and sit back and enjoy. Its a remarkable live recording. It sounds good even on a transistor radio. You come away thinking “hey, my system is not too bad afterall.”

true, but some cuts are used to death as demotracks.....this is one of them

 

[Mike Lavigne]

i think pursuing new music, and finding consistent connection, is important as far as system confidence. if i'm exploring and need to return to a few 'war horses' to like my system, then something is wrong somewhere. maybe i'm sick?

i do have some demanding music that i can throw on..........

i especially enjoy grabbing 10 Lp's from my classical collection purchase a few years ago and having at it. some of it is edgy, but if it all sucks something is wrong.

 

[Lagonda]

Unfortunately many audiophiles use music as a tool to enjoy gear. This situation limits the selection to demo music. It should be the opposite. Amps, speakers, source components, cables, all should be used as a tool to enjoy music.

I enjoy almost all kinds of music except hip-hop but my knowledge is very limited on classical. If you ask me to recommend a classical music conductor I might say Paul Mauriat.

 

[christensenleif@msn.com]

I like going through all the classical boxes I´ve never or rarely played
as retired I finally have the time
just finished the Philips collection Haydn piano trios with Beaux Arts Trio

 

[Bobvin]

true, but some cuts are used to death as demotracks.....this is one of them

About a year ago I heard “Keith don’t go“ for the first time and thought that might make a good demo track. Then I learned it was exactly that, played over and over again and every audio show everywhere. I can’t listen to it now.

 

[christensenleif@msn.com]

in Norway they used John Campbell, Down in the hole from Howlin Mercy 1993
still think it´s a great track