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That does not make sense to me. Either it is neutral or it is distorted. Boulder in my experience (owning 2060, 3060, 1008, 1110 and 812) is neutral. "Sterile and analytical" are distortions like the ever present and changing tube distortion with tube amps.I consider Boulder to be so neutral as to be sterile and analytical (sorry Chuck!).
I have heard variations on the claim that tubes are more "authentic" many times and asked for demonstrations of what that means. Invariably it is a distortion that sounds good with certain types of music (the audiophile recordings heard at shows) for a short time. To me it gets boring after about 20 minutes. The same is true of a.lot of solid state amps, they have their own types of distortion. The OP can listen to them like he did with the DACs.While CH, Vitus, and Boulder are renowned for their quality, they may not convey music as authentically as a Tube or Hybrid System could.
One mans "lifelike sound without being warm" is another's fat bottom girl, and they make the world go around !Unfortunately there is no such a thing like “Neutral Power Amp”. They all have their sound signatures. Some have more distinct than the others.
If you’re looking for warm, not-offensive, in other words a distant sounding amplifier look for solid states. BTW Gryphon, CH or Krell are as neutral as Kim Kardashian’s bottom. Preferable but not neutral.
On the other hand if you can listen live music without your tinnitus is triggered then unnatural, artificial sound might be the real problem. I have tinnitus too and it’s sensitive to oversampling that’s why I don’t prefer digital. But noise up to a level is helping though. In that sense vinyl setup instead of digital might help.
IMHO if you want intimate, lifelike sound without being warm then look for tubes.
Can someone please explain the objective standard(s) used to determine an amp that is "neutral" that is not system / room / listener biased?That does not make sense to me. Either it is neutral or it is distorted.
I don't typically listen to audiophile music, but I do appreciate the quality of recordings during demos. Not all tube amplifiers or hybrids can guarantee an authentic sound; many tend to color the sound heavily, which appeals to certain audiences. Personally, I prefer a balanced sound that encompasses resolution, dynamics, tonality, sheer control, bass presence in the room, and an open and effortless soundstage.That does not make sense to me. Either it is neutral or it is distorted. Boulder in my experience (owning 2060, 3060, 1008, 1110 and 812) is neutral. "Sterile and analytical" are distortions like the ever present and changing tube distortion with tube amps.
I have heard variations on the claim that tubes are more "authentic" many times and asked for demonstrations of what that means. Invariably it is a distortion that sounds good with certain types of music (the audiophile recordings heard at shows) for a short time. To me it gets boring after about 20 minutes. The same is true of a.lot of solid state amps, they have their own types of distortion. The OP can listen to them like he did with the DACs.
If you started with neutral cabling this endevour would make more sense to me.
I think indeed the claim that an amplifier is more or less neutral or not (colored) is done by comparisons and therefore highly subjectiveCan someone please explain the objective standard(s) used to determine an amp that is "neutral" that is not system / room / listener biased?
Maybe but there are measurements. Neutral, non-distorting amps measure that way. Compare the Stereophile measurements of Boulder 2150 to dartZeel 468 for example. The Boulder has virtually no measurable distortion, the dartZeel has relatively high distortion. The amps sound like they measure. The manufacturers will also sometimes tell you their goals. Boulder states their goal is to banish all distortion. dartZeel's goal is the sound the designer likes, distortion measurements are of little concern. The reviewer, Michael Fremer, acknowledged the neutrality of the Boulder but purchased the dartZeels..I think indeed the claim that an amplifier is more or less neutral or not (colored) is done by comparisons and therefore highly subjective
Hi.Hi everyone,
I’m back after my DAC journey post and I’m now looking for a power amp recommendation.
In short, I’m looking for something more neutral without being cold or analytical. Important to have a low noise floor and to sound good at low volumes (in my experience some amps need to be cranked up to hear what they’re capable of).
About me: I have aggressive tinnitus and it is triggered pretty easily by harsh highs. I do all my listening in quiet at low volumes (~50db). Want to stay away from anything hyper detailed, dry, analytical, etc. I originally architected my system around a ‘warmer’ sound but have come more recently to appreciate neutrality and transparency.
Edit: Also forgot to mention, looking for solid state, not tubes. And price would be under $30k.
Current setup
Source: Innuos Pulsar
DAC + volume control: Playback Designs MPD-8
Speakers: Vienna Acoustics Beethoven Concert Grand Reference (90db, 4ohm)
Power: Transparent Powerwave
Cabling: Various, no single loom (yet). Have Raven Audio, Transparent, Wireworld, FTA, Inakustik, Acoustic Revive
Thanks in advance!
I am completely biased, because I designed it, but you are perfectly describing the MSB s202. I think you should arrange a demo so you can hear it yourself.Hi everyone,
I’m back after my DAC journey post and I’m now looking for a power amp recommendation.
In short, I’m looking for something more neutral without being cold or analytical. Important to have a low noise floor and to sound good at low volumes (in my experience some amps need to be cranked up to hear what they’re capable of).
About me: I have aggressive tinnitus and it is triggered pretty easily by harsh highs. I do all my listening in quiet at low volumes (~50db). Want to stay away from anything hyper detailed, dry, analytical, etc. I originally architected my system around a ‘warmer’ sound but have come more recently to appreciate neutrality and transparency.
Edit: Also forgot to mention, looking for solid state, not tubes. And price would be under $30k.
Current setup
Source: Innuos Pulsar
DAC + volume control: Playback Designs MPD-8
Speakers: Vienna Acoustics Beethoven Concert Grand Reference (90db, 4ohm)
Power: Transparent Powerwave
Cabling: Various, no single loom (yet). Have Raven Audio, Transparent, Wireworld, FTA, Inakustik, Acoustic Revive
Thanks in advance!
This actually a Good idea.I would give some thought to how you listen. Do you enjoy the hidden details in recordings? Do you want a flow of music you can immerse yourself in and relax?
I think most who try a neutral amplifier find it harder to engage especially if coming from tubes.
Excellent SS amplifiers are available given your budget. Dartzeel, Gryphon, Pass are a few. The Benchmark amplifer has all the neutral and low noise you could want. Some love it and some move on quickly. $3k to experiment. Parasound makes great high value amplifiers without going to $30k. I found Spectral to be truly neutral but the requirements are burdensome.
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