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Tim, are you suggesting they have found the remnants of Noah’s ark on some mountain top in Utah?
So, you replaced your Masterbuilt cables with CC cables?
No, Noah was into building Bionor's before God told him to do an ark.
steve williams
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I don’t own Bionors. What’s your point . I’ve heard David’s system. You and Keith haven’t. I love when people who have zero knowledge of a component have the most to say about it.
steve williams
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FWIW I use both in my system I use mostly CC’s and have a few MB Ultras in my system
Is Utah not the promised land in some religion ?
I could be wrong, think i saw that on a episode of SouthPark No, no one answered to it or discussed it seriously. IMHO it would be a very interesting subject. I got a private suggestion from David, but was not at my reach.
What does your answer have to do with my question? I simply asked if you now have CC cables in your system. I didn’t ask you about owning Bionors...
Quick google search with the terms "Klangfilm Bionor" points out to several Bionor setups, some of them restored, some of them original. So "unobtanium" they aren't, they are very difficult to buy in original condition, but not unobtanium. And I'm pretty sure that if the person who searches is fluent in japanese, setup image results will increase drastically. There was a japanese website (now sadly taken down) that showed a mono Bionor setup with WE electronics in a rural house. And how many Bionor owners post pictures of their setups? That's another factor to consider.
Much closer to unobtanium are Moriyama and Machida systems that ddk visited, with two Epson idlers (ultra rare) and speakers made out of wood that needed 10 years to cure driven by custom amplifiers with super rare 4212E DHT tubes.
I think that the "best" audio system belongs to some weirdo guy living at some remote part of the world in the top of a mountain, with one off equipment and true unobtanium stuff, probably even custom one off speaker drivers of which there's not even a picture. I'm sure that such a unicorn exists, just not documented in the internet
Thanks, I carried extensive research on the subject after I got the ML3's from Mike. I found many Bionor's arround the world, none avaliable for sale. Regularly some parts show in the German ebay or classifieds. According to David amateur restored Bionors or copies are a no. And sorry, I know it is semantics, but unobtainium is not impossible, just extremely hard and expensive. Like the guy who had an extended price list ending with "impossible items add an extra 100 euros".
It is why I asked for the closest replacement.
steve williams
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Keep going Wirth the obfuscation. Your question of me had zero to do with my comment to Keith and you as well. What's your point? Keith commented on the use of CC's with his Lamm gear and even commented on the price...
My comment was that it never ceases to amaze me how the most negative comments come from people (you and Keith) who have never heard his system. And you ask me about MB cables in my system ???
I call that obfuscation
For the sake of not trawling through thousands of posts, I agree with Micro that it would be interesting to know what David thinks is a workable replacement for Bionors. Big JBLs like the Paragon or his own M9500/S9500? Western Electric replicas from China? Some modern horn? ALTEC VOTT (big ones)? Minimonitors?
I call that reading something that isn’t there. I simply wanted to know if you thought they were good enough to replace multi-thousand dollar cables. You can misinterpret how you like but my question was simple and direct.
What have I said that was negative exactly?
steve williams
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you didn't say anything negative but rather flipped the comment to something unnecessary and totally unrelated to my comment
steve williams
Site Founder, Site Owner, Administrator
FWIW, "obfuscation"........".the action of making something obscure, unclear, or unintelligible"
Sorry, but you just said I was saying negative things about (I think you meant) David’s system. Look up a couple posts at your words, Steve. I have said repeatedly that I like this kind of system and remember hearing Bionors long ago fondly.
I know you are not trying to educate me...don’t worry my grasp of English is just fine...including words like backtracking...
Keith, it appears you do not understand what I mean by a "natural" sounding system, or you do, and simply can not imagine my system can sound that way. That is fine.
IMO, such systems do not require a Lamm stack, CC cords, and SET amplifiers. Nor do they require vinyl. David has a very pleasant sound belt drive digital system in his office. It is a remarkable little stereo. No, it is more about the approach one takes and the sound he is trying to achieve. Furthermore, I have never claimed that my Magico speakers or others sound like horns (though ironically, Magico does make a horn speaker and I assume it sounds like one).
There are different degrees of natural sound. You are welcome to dismiss all Magico speakers as sounding unnatural. I would say to you that many systems of all types sound more hifi than natural to me. It is about a system sounding balanced with no frequencies or attributes drawing attention to themselves. It is about an open and effortless sound with believable tone.
As this is my system thread and I am hoping the discussion is about that and little else, I would say that my system is far from the four systems I heard in Utah. However, I did recognize something there that upon return here, I also hear. It is as simple as that. My goal now is to move further along the same path that I started to follow about a year ago. The results at the beginning were mixed, but with David's help, things are getting sorted out. The next step is the new turntable and two NOS arms. I appreciate that you are interested in following my system thread.
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