Taiko Audio SGM Extreme : the Crème de la Crème
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And that is certainly just as valid a way to use and listen via XDMS or whatever player you choose as any other. It's your music after all.
Me on the other hand, I make up playlists quite frequently -- for various genres, to save music that catches my ear while exploring (with Roon Radio or other exploration mode), for music that sounds exceptionally good in terms of sound quality, for music that I find especially moving and emotionally involving, for my own "greatest hits" version of an artist or group, and on and on. So I've really been pining for more playlist functionality in XDMS, but I'm sure the Taiko team will get around to it when they've got higher priority stuff sorted.
Steve Z
Steve williams
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Me too. I make a playlist when I sit down to listen and then I'm done. Other than that I have but a few playlists but I understand where Steve Z is coming from. For me what is paramount is sound quality. The fact that the Taiko team is developing literally every request of the alpha users is a tribute to not only Taiko who is bending over backwards to make everything happen but so also to a bunch of very knowledgeable alpha users who have made huge contributions for the benefit of all and to them (SteveZ is one of these brains) I tip my hat because all I have been doing is making requests. For everyone who uses Discord, it is a treat for me to read the posts of these very savvy members and Taiko team. Ive said before, the feeling is like watching this platform develop around all of us
i have zero playlists, my audition tracks are in a folder that i queue up when needed
is there any advantage to creating a playlist in your case, as opposed to putting things into a queue?
Steve williams
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That’s exactly what I do. sometimes my queue has had well over 100 files. But I don’t like to save a playlist. It serves no purpose for me. That’s why on Discord I’ve been asking to activate delete function on our playlists. I just don’t hero. Some do for decades. Too much great music for me to listen to than to constantly go back and use the same play lists. But to each their own.
No playlists here either, but of course can understand their uses.
One question that I am curious about... Is there a point when additional features or management tools might start impacting SQ in xdms or are there always ways to write additional code to avoid negative impacts into perpetuity?
I guess, taken to the Extreme, is there a way to code everything that Roon offers in full but with superior SQ on par with XDMS currently or even better? I think the obvious concern is everyone listens to music differently and has different needs, adding layers and layers of complexity and time, but perhaps they all can't be met without impacting the overarching goal of xdms - especially if the option is there to click a button and switch to Roon? I am sure this has been thought through ad nauseam, etc.
It pains me as I see some of my audiophile friends abandon Taiko, avert due to lengthy development or bugginess. For a number of my friends we just love the sound quality and are happy to adjust our listening and music curating habits, just the absolute basics for what digital can offer. And apologies if this is moot, irrelevant or completely misses the point as my coding/computer days are long gone and of course have full faith in Team Taiko - we are indebted to your (and the bug busters) efforts.
One question that I am curious about... Is there a point when additional features or management tools might start impacting SQ in xdms or are there always ways to write additional code to avoid negative impacts into perpetuity?
I guess, taken to the Extreme, is there a way to code everything that Roon offers in full but with superior SQ on par with XDMS currently or even better? I think the obvious concern is everyone listens to music differently and has different needs, adding layers and layers of complexity and time, but perhaps they all can't be met without impacting the overarching goal of xdms - especially if the option is there to click a button and switch to Roon? I am sure this has been thought through ad nauseam, etc.
It pains me as I see some of my audiophile friends abandon Taiko, avert due to lengthy development or bugginess. For a number of my friends we just love the sound quality and are happy to adjust our listening and music curating habits, just the absolute basics for what digital can offer. And apologies if this is moot, irrelevant or completely misses the point as my coding/computer days are long gone and of course have full faith in Team Taiko - we are indebted to your (and the bug busters) efforts.
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I’m not parting with the Nagra HD DAC X - it’s so very close to the best analog… but again it’s several times the price of what this new DAC will cost…Let me understand....are you saying you will part with your Dcs stack for the PCIe on board DAC? My Horizon ain't going anywhere? Im in long for everything Taiko. I just can't buy into the on board DAC unless as I said before Emile can work his magic and have one with tubes
To get app approval from Apple? My company does that all the time and we have an “IoT“ hardware device that the app interfaces with. This should not take that long — it’s a matter of how you reply to Apple’s questions. Someone from Taiko, Ed, feel free to message me - I think you will recall our conversations re: app developers when you installed my XDMS.
The certification requires the features and behaviors of the streaming services, which they deem to be necessary, to be implemented. It's not Apple
One example of what we are coding is Qobuz has 30 second mp3 sample tracks for some albums. When this track is selected by the user we have to display a notice that the track is only 30 seconds long and not the full track time.
We are making streaming safe for our Users ;-)
One example of what we are coding is Qobuz has 30 second mp3 sample tracks for some albums. When this track is selected by the user we have to display a notice that the track is only 30 seconds long and not the full track time.
We are making streaming safe for our Users ;-)
Going back to the topic of TACDD -- for those DAC manufacturers who decide not to support the new Taiko digital protocol to transmit digital data from Extreme to DAC, would it be feasible for Taiko to develop an interface box, similar to MSB's Pro ISL box, to receive the Taiko protocol over the Taiko cable and convert it back to something the DAC would accept so that a very short cable would connect between box and DAC input.
Granted, it wouldn't be able to carry the Taiko mystery protocol all the way into the DAC's chipset or FPGA but it would at least carry it through the meter or two meters currently using a USB, ethernet, SPDIF or AES/EBU cable and connectors. Would this have any benefit at all?
Steve Z
Granted, it wouldn't be able to carry the Taiko mystery protocol all the way into the DAC's chipset or FPGA but it would at least carry it through the meter or two meters currently using a USB, ethernet, SPDIF or AES/EBU cable and connectors. Would this have any benefit at all?
Steve Z
Exactly my POV.
Roon is sounding excellent here anyway, so I’m in no rush and XDMS can just be a pleasant surprise whenever it lands formally. I’m struggling to imagine how much better things can get anyway. Even Qobuz sounds very good indeed - I still can detect that local files are better, but only on a side by side analysis. I think I would struggle to pick it up on a random playback basis without listening very intently. If the switch and XDMS completely equalise things, then I may never need to buy any more CD’s or files.
That’s what I do too. I guess I do use Playlists after all, I just never save them.
Hi Malcng,
I think what you’d find with playlists is that the difference between mastering on different tracks is far greater than any differences between local and remote streaming on a really well optimized system. The only way to detect differences is when you manage to identify specific characteristics of local vs remote and those are typically removed to a great degree by proper optimization.
I noticed that in Roon when playing the same streamed track dirctly from album
it sounds better ,
than playing the same tack added to the playlist And played form playlist.
can someone confirm this phenomenon?
why it that?
Is there an additional action in the background happening When playing same track from playlist ?
is the Roon keeping / storing the streamed files from playlist somwere temporary ?
it sounds better ,
than playing the same tack added to the playlist And played form playlist.
can someone confirm this phenomenon?
why it that?
Is there an additional action in the background happening When playing same track from playlist ?
is the Roon keeping / storing the streamed files from playlist somwere temporary ?
I never mentioned Playlists and I’m not sure what point you are making here other than to suggest that my streaming setup is not ‘optimised’.
I totally agree that mastering quality is much more important than whether it is streamed or local and the difference between the two can only be determined by very careful comparison side by side of a file downloaded from Qobuz and stored on Extreme with the same file streamed from Qobuz. (Assuming it is exactly the same file, but maybe there is no guarantee of that?) So Extreme has, for me, reduced the differences to a very large extent such that the difference is now very small and I’m hoping that the switch/XDMS will eradicate it totally for me. But, again, I cannot detect the source when listening generally without a strict direct comparison.Hi Steve,
my impression so far is that all outputs from the daughter boards went already through the new Taiko interface board (75% of the motherboard seems to be interface) so I am not sure if there is a benefit with an external box solution.
Further as Emile pointed out in a former post it is sometimes better to have longer than shorter interconnects.
Matt
