yes. this is correct.
But I still hope Emile and Taiko Gang will find a way to modify available access point OR design an audio access point so I can sell all the switches.
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yes. this is correct.
But I still hope Emile and Taiko Gang will find a way to modify available access point OR design an audio access point so I can sell all the switches.
Actually those were XDMS updates that do work great for Roon.
I was not as precise as I wanted,
“Hence there's a benefit "isolating" these 2 devices from each other while maintaining a common "ground" and reducing total setup noise by using one power supply.”
This is precisely the benefit of a Shunyata Denali or Everest. Each device is isolated from the other yet shares a common ground (especially with ALTAIRA).
I’m not sure the Taiko distributor offers any real advantage in such case?
If the Switch and Router sound great with a “wall wart” each, then surely two LPS will be great, and connected to a Denali/Everest, we should not need the DC Distribution as well?
I’m a bit confused, to be honest, as the original direction was that a wall wart was good enough for the Switch and Router.
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“For example the discovery that the degradation caused by wifi noise is in fact not dominated by the airborne / radio function but by it's interaction with the supply it is powered with and how that in turn affects and the mains supply,”
It’s interesting because I discovered the opposite recently. The noise from the wireless signal from my Eero 6E was definitely noticeable through my speakers, as background noise. I enclosed the Eero in a wooden box (Oak) and noise floor dropped! The signal is strong enough to still be useable by the required devices.
To put a high end switch like telegärtner m12 between (dirty) router and wifi access point seems a bit …. advanced?
This switch would only deal things wifi - so a less advanced switch might do?
Of course it should not introduce dirt by itself.
Would a passive device like Delock or Emosafe galvanic isolators in this place be of any help to fight wifi access point gremlins?
A question to the ones with a big vinyl setup: When you say that digital with the latest Extreme is sounding so good - even like musicians are in the room with you - and at the same time digital is still not even close to vinyl, I‘m wondering what qualities are still missing in digital with the Extreme as of today that a high-end vinyl setup delivers?
i believe that the observation made by emile was primarily related to the Extreme's immunity to airborne radiation, which should not be surprising given the level of shielding we see in the extreme (and now in the new NIC as well), for the switch and router as well which are virtual Faraday cages!
i suspect what you were hearing was some other part of your system acting like an antenna and/or rectifier.
Why do you feel you a need a LPS for the dirty router? It will be on the other side of the Taiko Router, so what difference will an LPS make?
Ugh. I had not realized that the wireless access point could not reside on the “dirty” side of the network. I don’t have a wired connection to my main router - I use Eero 6E ‘satellites’ which wirelessly connect to the main router. This would mean that I would need 2 Wifi access points, which doesn’t make sense (especially given that the wireless sound waves definitely add noise to my system).My understanding is that there will be an interesting run out of either of those approaches:
a) add a wireless access point to clean side, but then large current draw and complex interactions with power supply
b) add an iPad with Lan to clean side, but then you add a copper cable and we know there will be a sound tuning effect (for better or worse)
c) control XDMS via port forwarding with iPad/Laptop on dirty side, but then latency plays a role
bets are open, any takers?
i have a small preference for (b) at the moment in terms of setup, I don’t mind too much one extra cable.
I guess (b) is the best option then, but you need to hard wire the iPad to the Router?
Don’t think so.
My point is that a Wifi router in the room adds noise through the wireless sound waves, not only through the AC lines. For the best sound quality, we really should have no wifi in the room, period.
It would be great, for those of us who never stream, to have a solution that is hard-wired to the Extreme. The Switch/Router/DC Distribution is kind of overkill If the only reason you need a network is to control playback!
i have to respectfully disagree. i only play local WAV files and the switch made a HUGE difference here. overkill? not here, it is a necessity.
as for your first point, of course the RF signal from a wifi router can add noise to a system, i'm just suggesting that the ingress is likely not coming from the extreme but from some other part of your system.
and of course, YMMV
The equivalent of tin foil hat materials do exist and they do work so you can experiment shielding WIFI waves. My experiments tell me that the processing of the WIFI data etc is more likely the root cause. Adding an external access point helps quieting my router but once I switch off the routers WIFI the sound improves further. (the external AP is located less than a meter away from the router)
Texture of instrumental timber for one.
Dynamic range (I know that digital has a higher range, on paper - that’s not how it sounds).
Naturalness of tone.
As I’ve stated before, the “wall” with digital is on the recording side. Thanks to Taiko, the D to A side has largely been solved.
I’m not talking about the Extreme at all in this post. Just an observation that shielding my Wifi AP reduced background noise.
Secondly, I also have a Switch + Network Card and only locally playback files... and agree the Switch/Network card made a huge difference!
Not at all, a wall wart is provided for functionality. We strongly recommend using a LPS. 1 LPS powering switch and router, when using a DAC cable as the interconnect, “sounds” better then 2, even more so when using the DC distributor.
https://taikoaudio.com/taiko-2020/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Extreme-DC-Power-Distributor_v002.pdf
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Well.
Right now the dirty Swisscom internet box is my only router.
Up to now I have the firm believe that a decent lps for the router does help.
Will a second (clean Taiko) router obviate this need?
I do not know. When wifi access points on the dirty side and their power supplies can disturb the sound, I do suppose the dirty (or single) router power supply will be relevant, too.
Will a simple lps now be enough here with the Swisscom internet box?
simple inakustik reference LAN cable - Swisscom internet box (with Ferrum Hypsos or a simple lps ) - Ww platinum 8 LAN cable - Ediscreation extreme switch (lps included, running more LAN cables to tv box and other internet stuff) - Sablon LAN cable - Taiko switch (with wall wart, to be replaced) - Taiko DAC cable - Taiko Extreme - Sablon usb cable - T+A SD 3100 hv
I don’t know. I should give it a try. Right now I rather listen to music
Same with Ediscreation switch. Maybe better without.
Those who know are very welcome to comment.
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