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The issue with high end audio is best measured performance does not always translate to best sound. There is no way around trial and error in high end, theory is going to need to be validated by hearing trial, often something measuring brilliantly sounds horrific.
Sorry I wasn't necessarily implying you said the extreme was carelessly designed either. I was just commenting that imho i think the extreme would more likely have started its development cycle with a well thought out structured plan based on existing knowledge. Cheers.Hey Howiebrou, if throwing shit at the wall was how my post came across, then I certainly wasn’t sufficiently clear. You are absolutely correct in that a product like the Extreme doesn’t come from a careless development cycle. I’m sure there were R&D breadboards and prototypes where things like memory, CPUs etc could be thoroughly evaluated and compared.
My posts was really about Trial & Error product development and really not about the Extreme. I was pointing out that Trial and Error is not a good way to proceed for a number of reasons already given in the previous thread. I was not privy to the Extreme’s development and I don’t know how it sounds (more’s the pity) so my comments were about a design philosophy rather than about a product. Is that a bit clearer?
I agree 110% and would repeat, again with respect that Trial & Error may not be the right term, at least not in my mind For me, trial and error means something a little bit different from systematically listening to and ranking components in terms of best for the job, which is what you’re doing. Its probably the only way to test products that were designed without sound quality in mind or on the design brief. I absolutely believe what you say about great spec. horrible sound. Sound quality is probably a dependant variable....the problem is that most of the time we don‘t know exactly what it depends on What we do know it that its not just one thing.The issue with high end audio is best measured performance does not always translate to best sound. There is no way around trial and error in high end, theory is going to need to be validated by hearing trial, often something measuring brilliantly sounds horrific.
No apology necessary. I got a bit caught up in the Trial and Error part. I have no reason to believe that the Extreme was anything but extremely well engineered. I think what some of us are calling trial and error, i would normally call listening trials. For me trial and error is a series of failures followed hopefully by eventual success.....so your throwing-shit-at-the-wall analogy kinda sticks (ha ha). Comparing different SSDs and RAM in terms of sound quality is for me not the same thing.Sorry I wasn't necessarily implying you said the extreme was carelessly designed either. I was just commenting that imho i think the extreme would more likely have started its development cycle with a well thought out structured plan based on existing knowledge. Cheers.
every time i lift the Extreme (a 90 pound computer!) i think about what sort of development process it might have taken to determine that going to that (pardon the pun) extreme level of casework and chassis was necessary. who else would ever even think that way?
easy answer.
no one.
and i'll bet that a server competitor who really looks at the Extreme just shakes their head.
I assure you it isn’t that way....
Come one Mike... I can't believe that you value the quality of the product because of its weight !!!
I can even think it with 200 pounds weight with 5x1000 VA transformers, 2.000.000 uF, 10 Intel processors with 5 motherboards....
i think about what sort of development process it might have taken to determine that going to that (pardon the pun) extreme level of casework and chassis was necessary.
I assure you it isn’t that way....
Neither of the previous two pictures.
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Pictures are worth 1000's of words....which would u think has more development/thought/trial?
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Stereophonic, I don’t know what you’re trying to accomplish here, your Wadax server is a beautiful piece of gear, true high end build quality. I did not mention it before because I have no idea where it fits in. It seemingly left Robert Koda gasping in admiration Loved that photo, not so fond of your other.
Agree - it is hilarious.
Hilarious question = hilarious answer
There is no need to compare two different servers to discredit the innuos only from internal pictures.
of course, i absolutely did NOT say value was BECAUSE of the weight.
what i did say was......
i connected the development process to doing what was necessary. the value is in the no holds bared approach. the weight reminded me of that.