Amazing isn't it. The thread being hijacked and dominated by subwoofer integration posts when the OP has made it very clear he has no interest in the topic. Very rude in my view.
The End Of A 35 Year Journey ---Zellaton -The Reference Ultra Final Frontier
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Hi Steve
I am glad to hear you’re on the move.
It’s great to see you go and push the envelope of the speakers. What’s the room size? Why didn’t you go to Statement Ultra… is there such a thing? I know Malinowski has the Statement but I think his is prior to the ultra roll out
I am glad to hear you’re on the move.
It’s great to see you go and push the envelope of the speakers. What’s the room size? Why didn’t you go to Statement Ultra… is there such a thing? I know Malinowski has the Statement but I think his is prior to the ultra roll out
if you follow the thread........https://whatsbestforum.com/threads/the-end-of-a-35-year-journey-zellaton-the-ultra-frontier.40135/page-8#post-1026566
room size is 20 x 15 x 9
Statement would be too big for my room. The Reference Ultra will be just perfect and once again the use of subs isn't going to happen
Well, I disagree with you - Steve posted he will not use subwoofers and even added more data - he found that no people owning Zellaton's have subwoofers in his research. I am very interested in Zellaton speakers - the discussion why subwoofers do not match Zellaton (or Zellaton users do not match subwoofers) can be extremely interesting.
Surely I would have a different view if this was Steve system thread - but as far as see it was posted in the Manufacturers, Distributors and Dealers Forum
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The End Of A 35 Year Journey ---Zellaton The Ultra Frontier
Well for me, the title said it all. It was Steve thread.
Pure semantics IMO. Agree with 151 above. Pretty obvious to me regardless of where the OP initially posted. But what do I know.
If you think that topic can be extremely interesting, OK. Easy. Start your own thread.
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Sorry, are you now a WBF moderator?
I would be happy to tell you why I feel this is a legitim thread subject, that is interesting in this thread and can become lost in a separate thread. IMO the best WBF debates have systematically been in cross posted threads. But I feel this is not the proper place to discuss it.
Francisco...different strokes for different folks. I have heard them and what I heard absolutely does not need a sub(s) in my room . I have zero desire to go down that route. If you recall I had a pair of Gotham G213's a few years ago in my room and they were impossible to ever satisfactorily integrate with my Wilson speakers. In fact when Gary Koh (Genesis) visited and Damon Von Schweikert (VSA) they both commented that my room would sound better without the subs It took me the better part of the next year to come to that conclusion. My room never sounded better once I removed the subs. The Zellaton IMO has even better bass than my existing Wilson, so as I stated I have zero interest to poke my head again down that rabbit hole. Im quite happy with my decision and am counting the days when the speakers will arrive. I will keep you posted and you would certainly be welcome for an audition but I can promise you that all you''ll be hearing will be the Zellaton Reference Ultra
Considering the size of your room, I have no doubt that a subwoofer would not be easy to integrate or beneficial - in my experience subs should be far from the main speakers - I had mine 5 feet back from them. I also found that when using the Lamm ML3 with the XLF it was not possible to integrate the WatchDog subs properly in this system - I have now an idea why, it is not relevant here.
As far as we can see now in this thread we can get the idea that Zellaton's do not integrate with subs or with people liking them
. I think it is a false idea, worth discussing.
Start a new thread. I’ve made it abundantly clear I’m not interested. Start your own thread and have st it
What I find interesting is that all users I’ve talked to and Mike Malinowski here with Statements all say a sub is not necessary yet you who I’m assuming have not heard the speaker emphatically state otherwise. I’m sure in the thread you start you will have members agree with you but I’d be surprised if a Zellaton user stated they are using a sub or wish they were.Considering the size of your room, I have no doubt that a subwoofer would not be easy to integrate or beneficial - in my experience subs should be far from the main speakers - I had mine 5 feet back from them. I also found that when using the Lamm ML3 with the XLF it was not possible to integrate the WatchDog subs properly in this system - I have now an idea why, it is not relevant here.
As far as we can see now in this thread we can get the idea that Zellaton's do not integrate with subs or with people liking them
Francisco. This is a post of yours in a different thread. I’m suggesting you follow your own advice here
Tweaks, Cables, and Filtration: Essential for World-Class Stereo Performance?
Why -- because I know what I want? How do you know what a cable sounds like until you insert it into your system? If you like the cable, what's wrong with a little adjustability?
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What I find interesting is that all users I’ve talked to and Mike Malinowski here with Statements all say a sub is not necessary yet you who I’m assuming have not heard the speaker emphatically state otherwise. I’m sure in the thread you start you will have members agree with you but I’d be surprised if a Zellaton user stated they are using a sub or wish they were.
Francisco. This is a post of yours in a different thread. I’m suggesting you follow your own advice here
Tweaks, Cables, and Filtration: Essential for World-Class Stereo Performance?
Why -- because I know what I want? How do you know what a cable sounds like until you insert it into your system? If you like the cable, what's wrong with a little adjustability?
IMO you should read the thread you refer and my post with care before posting such advice. Are you suggesting that subs are not speakers? Or are you forbidding people with Zellaton to get subwoofers?
BTW, driving a talk with ChatGPT with proper care during five minutes through this question provided me a much better insight on the subject than this WBF thread. I have to try DeepSeek soon ...
Anyway I have a good relation with our local Zellaton distributor - he sold me my VTLs - I will question him on the subject as soon as I visit him.
I started the thread. I’ve made it abundantly clear I’m not interested in subs with the Reference Ultra yet you continue to tell me I should. I might be interested in reading your thread but not wanting you to pollute this threadIMO you should read the thread you refer and my post with care before posting such advice. Are you suggesting that subs are not speakers? Or are you forbidding people with Zellaton to get subwoofers?
BTW, driving a talk with ChatGPT with proper care during five minutes through this question provided me a much better insight on the subject than this WBF thread. I have to try DeepSeek soon ...
Anyway I have a good relation with our local Zellaton distributor - he sold me my VTLs - I will question him on the subject as soon as I visit him.
HTH
No Steve, please read my posts. I am telling that other people could be interested in properly knowing why subs do not match (or match ...) with Zellaton's.
I still have hope someone from Zellaton writes on this interesting subject.
Sorry to learn that members who start threads in a manufacturers forum section have the power to control or moderate them. I had never noticed it before.
your objection is duly noted
but we dont have the power micro. Im merely asking you to be polite and start your own thread. Im not interetsed in derailing this thread as y6ou seem hell bent on.
An observation and a question...
Given that Steve has not yet heard the speakers in his room it feels premature to make such strong declarations about the role that subs might play. If, for example, Steve were to buy Magnepans would they also absolutely not need subs give that the Wilsons etc didn't? And, to my knowledge, the Zelletons are an open baffle design of some sort or variety
Is the thread focused on sharing opinions, experiences and information? Is it meant to encourage interaction and even debate? Or, is it meant to highlight and promote? Is it meant to solely encourage gushing and sycophancy?
I have read the entire thread, btw.
Given that Steve has not yet heard the speakers in his room it feels premature to make such strong declarations about the role that subs might play. If, for example, Steve were to buy Magnepans would they also absolutely not need subs give that the Wilsons etc didn't? And, to my knowledge, the Zelletons are an open baffle design of some sort or variety
Is the thread focused on sharing opinions, experiences and information? Is it meant to encourage interaction and even debate? Or, is it meant to highlight and promote? Is it meant to solely encourage gushing and sycophancy?
I have read the entire thread, btw.
your objection is duly noted
but we dont have the power micro. Im merely asking you to be polite and start your own thread. Im not interetsed in derailing this thread as y6ou seem hell bent on.
What you call derailing this thread is IMO enriching it. And as far as I see we have both been polite, but have different opinions. I hope the Zellaton people will post about the subject to legitimate the debate or create a new thread on it in this Manufacturer, Distibutor and Dealer section - I am none of them, BTW.
I guess you need to read the entire thread micro....here is a post from several days ago
The End Of A 35 Year Journey ---Zellaton The Ultra Frontier
The issue of low powered tube amps has been raised and certainly has been my prime concern until I had lengthy talks with Gideon. He knows my amps very well and said it will not be an issue in my room.
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The truly extraordinary and incredibly rude behaviour of some members here leaves me (A HUGE Zellaton speaker fan) no choice but to leave this thread. Wishing you all the best with your purchase Steve and hope they bring you many hours of great musical pleasure and satisfaction.
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