The Grid Protector, the EMI Protector and The Allocator By Schnerzinger-In My System and I’m Blown Away

[aangen]

I don't think anything is necessary, especially comments like that.
It is a nice addition. I never felt Steve or anyone else DEMANDED I have one. Glad I do though.

 

[Steve williams]

I think what kicks people in the pants is Steve and others present the Schnerzinger products as necessary. Its similar to Peters Natural Sound thread. If you don't buy Schnerzinger, your system is hobbled. If you didn't follow the beat of their drum, your stereo will never reach a level of playback theirs is at. And their comeback is, well, they only report what they hear. This will always be a contentious thread. As is the Natural Sound.

Oh Please, give me a friggin break. In no way shape or form was that ever stated. You really need to take a relax pill dude. I was giving my impressions of a device in my system. I did say that IMO it was not a tweak but was system changing for me. Really Rex you really are beyond. If stuff like this bothers you, this isnt the place for you. This is called What's Best Forum. Sorry if that offends you. Seems everything bothers you lately. You argue about me buying something that you say is cost prohibitive and the next day you call me out for having a cheap component in my system. You really need some help at your end

If you don't buy Schnerzinger, your system is hobbled. If you didn't follow the beat of their drum, your stereo will never reach a level of playback theirs is at.

I would like you to show me where I said this otherwise back off as you're way out of line. It's comments such as yours that are the reasons that a thread becomes contentious.

 

[Iamrael]

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the grid protector and similar power arm circuits placed on the actual circuit through out a shared circuit is merely a buck box, or rectifier box. the technology is used in alot of commercial applications to reduce heat on motor windings in motors, compressors, pumps and heaters. it provides a closer ac cyclic response to the items you are running. i have been explained what whole building rectifiers have been used for in the past but the best i can do is explain in a nutshell how they work. and why they dont require outlets to function and only need to be on the L1+L2 or L1+neutral lines +ground.

the concept is when you switch on a ac device it is taking power either from the power generation plant or say hte massive transformer down the block or mile down the road. the time it takes for ac power to switch back and forth is not just the HZ but the amount of joules? that is functional spent in the process going back and forth. this can actually hinder a circuit and provide its own issue that causes noise or flat response in audio transformers. in industrial sectors these built on rewired transformer boxes are used outside of rooms or build outs where motors are running on and off. these devices allow the copper windings in the motors to not get as hot because it injects a faster hz into the voltage lines and making the hz not struggle to go back and forth from the transformer ot power generation station. it limits the distance this ac effect happens to right ion the room or say outside your house. they are also claimed to reduce power draw on your meter too from what people have said ho use a lot of inductance? devices like motors and heating band electronics. the same applies to transformers as they operate slightly healthier. the idea is the closer the ac voltage switching(hz) occurs in your location the healthier the power will be. i suppose with stereos this offers dynamic performance. i personally seen advanced versions on room circuits with analytical devices that literally eliminates all teh dynamic noise from ac lines.

as i was explained, if you areally close to your transformer on the pole and you get a full 240/60hz its fractional in benefit. if you are anywehre under that and especially if you are teetering at 58-59hz you can see a major diffence at that hz ddrop makes a difference in how some stereos opperate. some stereos...

 

[Alrainbow]

I think Steve has solar the ac generator type as ac output on multiple panels in parallel I think.
I can Imagine the noise of this many inverters being used. But I maybe wrong on what exactly Steve has.
what the box is I don’t care but I do care on what changes in a given audio system.
take note no one answered my ground box location lol.

 

[Steve williams]

Way OT Al but re solar at my house……there is zero noise. I don’t use a noisy inverter. I have 30 panels on my roof each using a dedicated micro inverter. Too bad you weren’t here for my week end Lampi event that I invited you to. The entire week end was powered entirely by solar and everyone present was asked if they heat any noise. There is none You could have verified that yourself.

 

[pk_LA]

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the grid protector and similar power arm circuits placed on the actual circuit through out a shared circuit is merely a buck box, or rectifier box. the technology is used in alot of commercial applications to reduce heat on motor windings in motors, compressors, pumps and heaters. it provides a closer ac cyclic response to the items you are running. i have been explained what whole building rectifiers have been used for in the past but the best i can do is explain in a nutshell how they work. and why they dont require outlets to function and only need to be on the L1+L2 or L1+neutral lines +ground.

the concept is when you switch on a ac device it is taking power either from the power generation plant or say hte massive transformer down the block or mile down the road. the time it takes for ac power to switch back and forth is not just the HZ but the amount of joules? that is functional spent in the process going back and forth. this can actually hinder a circuit and provide its own issue that causes noise or flat response in audio transformers. in industrial sectors these built on rewired transformer boxes are used outside of rooms or build outs where motors are running on and off. these devices allow the copper windings in the motors to not get as hot because it injects a faster hz into the voltage lines and making the hz not struggle to go back and forth from the transformer ot power generation station. it limits the distance this ac effect happens to right ion the room or say outside your house. they are also claimed to reduce power draw on your meter too from what people have said ho use a lot of inductance? devices like motors and heating band electronics. the same applies to transformers as they operate slightly healthier. the idea is the closer the ac voltage switching(hz) occurs in your location the healthier the power will be. i suppose with stereos this offers dynamic performance. i personally seen advanced versions on room circuits with analytical devices that literally eliminates all teh dynamic noise from ac lines.

as i was explained, if you areally close to your transformer on the pole and you get a full 240/60hz its fractional in benefit. if you are anywehre under that and especially if you are teetering at 58-59hz you can see a major diffence at that hz ddrop makes a difference in how some stereos opperate. some stereos...

Quite fascinating. Thank you!

 

[pk_LA]

Way OT Al but re solar at my house……there is zero noise. I don’t use a noisy inverter. I have 30 panels on my roof each using a dedicated micro inverter. Too bad you weren’t here for my week end Lampi event that I invited you to. The entire week end was powered entirely by solar and everyone present was asked if they heat any noise. There is none You could have verified that yourself.

A little embarrassing to ask given that I was an engineer for many years but...wouldn't solar actually be quieter than standard grid given that you are effectively charging and utilizing batteries?

 

[luca.pelliccioli]

I received some answers/tips about the Grid Protector from my dealer after a visit here in Italy of a Schnerzinger representative.

The frequency range of the device is 50-100K

The SMPS provided is specifically designed to work with the GP, other alternatives (including any LPS) are not recommended.

The LED light is useful so they do not recommend to cover it in any ways.

I suggested to add a printed owner manual, they will soon provide it into the box of new products.

I suggested to provide a different Schuko plug for EU version (the current angled one is difficult to be inserted), they will consider it as a future upgrade of the product.

It is strongly recommended that dealers personally install the device for their customers, where possible. The ability to have the device installed by an expert greatly enhances its performance.

The EMI protector works best when positioned 1.2 meters high.

The Protectors and the Allocator communicate with each other through their own antennas, so proper placement of the different devices in various points of the room greatly improves their performance.

 

[Iamrael]

Quite fascinating. Thank you!

This is a copy/paste of a post from another member that was deleted earlier on in this thread.

 

[Steve williams]

A little embarrassing to ask given that I was an engineer for many years but...wouldn't solar actually be quieter than standard grid given that you are effectively charging and utilizing batteries?

I dont use batteries to store as I find that for my needs and where I live the need for batteries is seldom so for now my solar is used and the excess is given back to the grid and I get a monthly credit. The good news is that as a result of my having solar now for just over 5 years, I continue to overproduce with the net result that I haven't had an electric bill in that time....so no batteries to store in my house

 

[Steve williams]

The EMI protector works best when positioned 1.2 meters high.

Thats very interesting. I will try that. Thank you

 

[Rumpole]

I dont use batteries to store as I find that for my needs and where I live the need for batteries is seldom so for now my solar is used and the excess is given back to the grid and I get a monthly credit. The good news is that as a result of my having solar now for just over 5 years, I continue to overproduce with the net result that I haven't had an electric bill in that time

I have a similar system - 28 panels with microinverters that send power back to the grid. I think my panels are increasing my line voltage, and occasionally one panel will shut down because of high line voltage. I have a Ting monitor that tracks voltage (and high frequency electrical noise). I'm not sure if it useful information, but it does show an increase in line voltage during the day when the panels are generating power - here is an example of the voltage plot. I'm still trying to sort out whether power quality is an issue that I need to address.

 

[Steve williams]

we are drifting off topic.Here is the thread I started years ago on my experiences . Perhaps solar discussion would be best there

The Time Has Come .....I've gone solar

as most know California has been suffering through one of the hottest summers in history. Our electricity provider is San Diego Gas and Electric which allegedly has the highest price of electricity in the nation. My electric bills have been averaging over $500-$600 per month. In July where...

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[Alrainbow]

The device Steve and others post about is not the average fuse upgrade or even a power cord.
The ones who post positively about it are true users
The negative can be too but for a device like this time needs to be taken and observe carefully.
still no one comments on moving a simple star ground box and how much it effected the sound this makes me curious
take note the maker rep says placement matters this very much makes me think the device works.

 

[luca.pelliccioli]

The EMI Protector has just arrived and I’m liking this new toy since the very first tracks.



Music sounds so REAL! And I’m amazed by the general feeling of calm, relaxation and ease all around!

It seems to work well with its Grid Protector brother.

Let me thank Steve one more time for having driven me to this route.

 

[Alrainbow]

Pretty cool to read and you have top of the mountain stuff and it impresses you.

 

[Steve williams]

The EMI Protector has just arrived and I’m liking this new toy since the very first tracks.

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Music sounds so REAL! And I’m amazed by the general feeling of calm, relaxation and ease all around!

It seems to work well with its Grid Protector brother.

Let me thank Steve one more time for having driven me to this route.

What I found is that the effect on my system when the two were used together was far greater than when I used one or the other IOW the synergy they create is such that 1+1>2

Wait til yiu add the Allocator

I’m anxious to hear Vinyl-Mike’s evaluation with Schnerzinger cables There is no question that this is a block by block system enhancer.

 

[Steve williams]

I still have no idea how they work but a caveat that I think is important. Plus it’s in the online manual……..re the Grid Protector……it’s imperative that the wall wart be plugged into a different AC outlet than the dedicated AC plug attached to the Grid protector

 

[luca.pelliccioli]

I agree with you, GP + EMI seem to work together as part of a bigger organism (along with PowerZone I’d say, but this should need another thread). I also have the feeling that worth experimenting different placements in the room for both the devices, that I’ll try in the very next days.

Hopefully I'll get a demo unit of the Allocator Max by Christmas, to make my holidays even more fun...

I’m afraid the Schnerzinger rabbit hole is deeper than I expected.

 

[Husk]

I agree with you, GP + EMI seem to work together as part of a bigger organism (along with PowerZone I’d say, but this should need another thread). I also have the feeling that worth experimenting different placements in the room for both the devices, that I’ll try in the very next days.

Hopefully I'll get a demo unit of the Allocator Max by Christmas, to make my holidays even more fun...

I’m afraid the Schnerzinger rabbit hole is deeper than I expected.

Someone needs to do a head to head compare between the POWERZONE and the Allocator.