The Grid Protector, the EMI Protector and The Allocator By Schnerzinger-In My System and I’m Blown Away
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The recommended use case is without any AC Power. Per the manual:
Start at Power position 0. Try Position I and listen. Try Position II and listen.
If there is no improvement, return to basic setting.
If you don’t use Power levels 1 or 2, every year, for 15 minutes, you connect power to recharge the unit.
In my testing, levels 1 and 2 made the sound worse, not better in some cases, so definitely follow the directions, start at 0 with all settings. Make changes one at a time.
Once the MULTI settles, I need to retry all the settings with the EMI and GRID.
Once the MULTI settles, I need to retry all the settings with the EMI and GRID.
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Another benefit is that video image quality has taken another step forward. It’s hard to believe, since it’s already so ‘modified’: Apple TV “X”, Taiko Extreme Router and Switch, AC from the Shunyata Denali, low jitter Lumagen 5348, and there were gains from the EMI and GRID.
The only disappointing thing is that the noise floor has not decreased from the MULTI - at least not that I think (I did not remove it to check it at the same time). We’ll see how what happens as the MULTIGUARDS settle and break-in.
The only disappointing thing is that the noise floor has not decreased from the MULTI - at least not that I think (I did not remove it to check it at the same time). We’ll see how what happens as the MULTIGUARDS settle and break-in.
Yes, in my experience the reasons where 1 or 2 can be better than 0 are just…
…if non Schnerzinger distributor or cabling is part of the chain, either partly or completely, so that interference gets into the cirquit more intensively and has to be countered with higher settings
or
…if a room or grid has extreme interference sources to be countered, but this is rarer
The best sound one can get with current Schnerzinger cables is when 1 and 2 sound worse than 0. But if one needs 1 or 2 for better sound, this will still be the best possible in this situation. Valid for all devices with this kind of switch.
Generally it’s a question of overall resolution and especially bandwidth of the overall cabling, combined with the existing interference intensity in the room that defines if one needs 0, 1 or 2. With current Schnerzinger cabling and normal interference spectrum, 0 usually should sound clearly better than 1 or 2. In all other cases it depends.
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Just that if „0“ sounds better than „1“ or „2“ in your chain, you usually have a better absolute sound quality than if „1“ or „2“ would sound better.
Try to understand it that way:
If you don’t need beta blockers, you’re usually more healthy than if you need them. Anyway the one who needs them is better off with them, than without.
And newer Schnerzinger cabling has a wider bandwidth than older Schnerzinger cabling, which usually has a higher bandwidth than non Schnerzinger cabling. Higher bandwidth has higher overall sound quality potential and makes side effects of stronger interference measures more or at all audible. This can lead to different (lower) intensity settings. Anyway, it just counts what one hears in his chain and situation. What the situation needs will sound better there, even if in another situation it would not. Hope I’m not sounding cryptic.
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It's all good
Bottom line is they want you to use a complete Schnerzinger system which therefore mandates the use of their cables and BTW once you go down that path there is even a cable protector which they make .....that rabbit hole gets deeper and deeper
Well said!
By incorporating Schnerzinger wiring, prior settings often need reevaluation for exactly your reason stated.
It’s not just with “Schnerzinger wiring”. Each system will sound different and the suggested use is with Power level at 0. Each device states so in the manual.
If you don’t need the additional power, don’t use it. Simple.
If you don’t need the additional power, don’t use it. Simple.
Can @Audioarts explain how the Phase products work? In NA and Europe residential power is single phase. I can see how phase may not be perfect with multi-phase systems, but that’s not the case with residential power.
Phase shift is always in the context of two or more wavelengths.
AC of course follows a sinusodial waveform - the timing of that waveform is 60Hz (or 50Hz in Japan).
What exactly do the Schnerzinger products do when they “fix phase”?
Phase shift is always in the context of two or more wavelengths.
AC of course follows a sinusodial waveform - the timing of that waveform is 60Hz (or 50Hz in Japan).
What exactly do the Schnerzinger products do when they “fix phase”?
It's all good
Bottom line is they want you to use a complete Schnerzinger system which therefore mandates the use of their cables and BTW once you go down that path there is even a cable protector which they make .....that rabbit hole gets deeper and deeper
Well I think they are realistic about how many buy and change to a complete Schnerzinger equipped setup
. I’d say they are probably also very happy with the folks using different cabling, improving that with the Giga devices.I understand that the reason for offering the cable protectors separately is, that not everyone needs it (and therefore the expense).
But fact is (for me):
the most benefit comes from the cabling and this absolutely superior conductivity, which has exponential effect, the more complete it is. Not in terms of synergy but in terms of quality/bass control/resolution/timing/bandwidth.
Giga products have a big additional effect for both, Schnerzinger and non Schnerzinger cabled setups in terms of especially 3D and natural imaging quality and therefore - to a degree - resolution focus (which is not the only quality Schnerzinger cabling has).
The thing about cabling is that it should ideally be synergistic with the components and the desired sound one is trying to achieve. In my case, I am using the same cabling between pre and power amps as in the amp internally, and in the cross overs. That is worth more, I think, that matching cabling from Schnerzinger.
You can’t match to everything, so you have to choose what is more important to you.
You can’t match to everything, so you have to choose what is more important to you.
The other switches affect the timing and amplitude(I think) of the signal that is generated to counteract what it’s trying to fix. Yes, each position makes an audible difference. But it’s not about the “amount” of signal generated, I think it’s the nature of the signal generated. This is just an educated guess after reading all I could find (which is not that much).
I understand that many have to do this (tweak generally mainly tonality with cabling and/or compensate certain equipment’s special characteristics with again individual cabling).
Like those with active crossovers, with active speakers I have the luxury and option to more or less slightly modify tonality without changing cabling, so I can choose cabling by pure quality aspects and neutral tonality. But with non compensating components and by eliminating noticeably negative room effects that would need compensation, one even does not need this option. Then neutral, time/phase correct cabling suddenly improves everything - even what seemed contrastive - at the same time. Schnerzinger is such a cabling.
So I vote for fixing things that would need compensation first and then chose the best neutral cabling. This usually works best, but can be a journey.
I don’t disagree but there is no such thing as “neutral” cabling. Every cable imparts a signature to the sound. I agree that cables shouldn’t be used to fix issues - but they will impart a tonal signature to the sound, affect dynamics, and effect frequency extension.
Most high end cables claim to be “neutral”. There is no perfectly neutral cable, and I don’t think it would sound great if there was.
Most high end cables claim to be “neutral”. There is no perfectly neutral cable, and I don’t think it would sound great if there was.
No problem that we have a partly different point of view here.
I even think most really good cabling on such price levels is more or less neutral (and I think that’s good and sounds best in a balanced setup without compensating components).
But I think most manufacturers have to achieve this neutrality with compromises and therefore their products have less potential, the better the setup and surrounding measures get. For the moment I file cabling under “a different lower level than we speak of”, which for example needs an exaggerated upmost treble emphasis to compensate missing resolution or deep bass emphasis to compensate lack of bass extension etc.
I think besides the superior conductivity, the reason for the finally extrem level of the Schnerzinger cabling is, that they for example don’t fight the HF interference with small capacitor based filtering circuits, across the board suppression of HF with informed material or processing or similar measures, which do their focus job, but with limiting the bandwidth beyond the audible range and messing with simultaneous transport of all frequencies and impulse speed.
The disadvantage of neutral and optimal cabling can be, that it helps to identify singular problems (components or cables) in the chain, with a need to fix. But once this is done, no tweaking and compensation is needed anymore and the door to a different level opened.
But I’m aware that many here have consistent different cabling on a very high level and usually don’t compensate anyway. Then it’s just a question to once try out a complete switch and see what happens…
I even think most really good cabling on such price levels is more or less neutral (and I think that’s good and sounds best in a balanced setup without compensating components).
But I think most manufacturers have to achieve this neutrality with compromises and therefore their products have less potential, the better the setup and surrounding measures get. For the moment I file cabling under “a different lower level than we speak of”, which for example needs an exaggerated upmost treble emphasis to compensate missing resolution or deep bass emphasis to compensate lack of bass extension etc.
I think besides the superior conductivity, the reason for the finally extrem level of the Schnerzinger cabling is, that they for example don’t fight the HF interference with small capacitor based filtering circuits, across the board suppression of HF with informed material or processing or similar measures, which do their focus job, but with limiting the bandwidth beyond the audible range and messing with simultaneous transport of all frequencies and impulse speed.
The disadvantage of neutral and optimal cabling can be, that it helps to identify singular problems (components or cables) in the chain, with a need to fix. But once this is done, no tweaking and compensation is needed anymore and the door to a different level opened.
But I’m aware that many here have consistent different cabling on a very high level and usually don’t compensate anyway. Then it’s just a question to once try out a complete switch and see what happens…
We all have cable that allows that I use a complete loom of Master Built Ultra that I could have bought an entire sound system with. I also agree with Zeotrope's cable comment. Having said that I must admit that using Schnerzinger cable with these little black boxes is the ultimate fix
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