The Grid Protector, the EMI Protector and The Allocator By Schnerzinger-In My System and I’m Blown Away

[Jazzjunkie]

…With thirteen switches in my setup each with three possible positions, a quick Google search indicates about 1.5 million possible combinations. So, I basically bounced around between physical placement and having all the switches in the number one position, or all the switches in the number two position. ….

The theoretical complexity is correct, but if you do it according to the manual (toggle the switches in the suggested sequence and just leave them engaged if they have a benefit), then the 1,5 million combinations are reduced to max. 39 exercises until the final result is achieved.

Using all switches in an engaged position can mean less improvement than possible, as an overcompensation of not existing radiation can limit the potential.

 

[agisthos]

So the Grid Protector works on cleaning the mains its plugged into. I see three taps/outlets that do different things. Which do you use?

And the EMI Protector creates an ambient field that cleans the area within 3m of the device? This would mean you want it placed dead centre in the middle of your speakers, right behind or on your equipment rack. It sound similar to what a few of the QRT products used to do, create a cleansing ambient field.

 

[steve williams]

So the Grid Protector works on cleaning the mains its plugged into. I see three taps/outlets that do different things. Which do you use?

And the EMI Protector creates an ambient field that cleans the area within 3m of the device? This would mean you want it placed dead centre in the middle of your speakers, right behind or on your equipment rack. It sound similar to what a few of the QRT products used to do, create a cleansing ambient field.

Actually the Grid Protector works with or without being plugged in as does the EMI. The EMI does not need to be dead center behind your speaker. Mine is behind and just to the inside of my left speaker. As to settings there are countless permutations and combinations. Mine is an all tube system and it was recommended they perform best when all 6 switches are in the ll position.

Glad you know how they work as I sure as heck don’t Maybe your theory is correct but if so why do they work even unplugged. Plus the Grid protector has a dedicated AC plug as well as a wall wart

 

[agisthos]

Plus the Grid protector has a dedicated AC plug as well as a wall wart

The sparse literature available said the grid protector needed the AC plug to connect to the earth and live lines, and each tap on the box you connect the AC plug to does a different thing to the other.

I love tweaks like this but sometimes the amount of permutations does your head in.

 

[steve williams]

as I said in my OP I dont consider these to be tweaks but an essential part to any system

 

[Amir]

Steve
Please Share more pictures from beautiful Lamm Wilson
Very beautiful

 

[luca.pelliccioli]

Hi Steve,

following this thread I have finally purchased a Grid Protector, that is in my system since yesterday. Let me thank you because I’m enjoying the sound it is able to produce in my room.
I agree with you on all the attributes you already described above. In particular the realism when a guitar strings are plucked and the kick of the drums are astonishing.
Let me add that bass sound so articulated and textured as never before, going deeper and deeper in a so intelligible and clear way that impressed me.
A general sense of ease and relaxation made me fell asleep (no sarcasm).

PHASE switch IME sounds better if set on I level, while EARTH on II. Then I tried the Protector connecting also the wall wart (to a different circuit socket) and playing with I and II positions, where the former seems to get better results.

Where did you plug the main cable, to a power strip or to a dedicated wall socket?

I was told that the next step to raise the improvement even more is a set of 4 MULTI GUARDS, that I’m considering, why did you choose to add the EMI protector and not them?

Last question: I was also told that the EMI Protector should be put at a higher level (1 meter at least) to work at its best, unlike you did placing it on the floor, have you tried different positions?

Thanks.

 

[steve williams]

Hi Luca

I have everything plugged into the wall

I do not use a power strip or any power conditioner for these unite. They plug directly into the wall

This week after a lengthy wait I have the Allocator arriving this week which looks like a big power strip. This will be for all my front end power cords.

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As for which position to use, I believe it is system dependent I use all 3 switches on both GRID and EMI in the ll position as Gideon suggested that gets the best results for an all tube system which I have

Last question: I was also told that the EMI Protector should be put at a higher level (1 meter at least) to work at its best, unlike you did placing it on the floor, have you tried different positions?

I have mine on the floor and have not tried different positions. I will ask Gideon his thoughts on that issue

Im happy for the results you are getting. I remain amazed at what these little boxes do

 

[luca.pelliccioli]

I have everything plugged into the wall

Thanks Steve,

keep us informed about the Allocator, I’ll have to decide my next step between MULTI GUARDS and EMI. In the meantime I’m enjoying so much the music!

As for the wall warts (both for GRID and EMI) I suppose you have them plugged into wall sockets of a different circuit from the system, Schnerzinger strongly recommends to keep them well isolated from the hifi dedicated lines.

 

[steve williams]

Thanks Steve,

keep us informed about the Allocator, I’ll have to decide my next step between MULTI GUARDS and EMI. In the meantime I’m enjoying so much the music!

As for the wall warts (both for GRID and EMI) I suppose you have them plugged into wall sockets of a different circuit from the system, Schnerzinger strongly recommends to keep them well isolated from the hifi dedicated lines.

Indeed. My grid and EMI are along the front wall behind mey amp. I have all dedicated lines in my room

The Allocator will go along the side wall and employ all front end power cords

I asked Gideon about raising the EMI and he had nothing conclusive to add however my EMI came with a short and vert tall antenna. The tall antenna is for large rooms but maybe it would be worth a try

one doesnt really understand how good these boxes are until they are placed in your system. Your observations are the same as mine

 

[Mr. Miyagi]

very helpful. The challenge to a regular hobbyist is there seem to be so many boxes (of which lots ain’t cheap) where people swear by the improvement but have no idea how it works. Subvidus zwo comes to mind as does pranawire interceptors. Where does one begin? !

 

[gin]

Indeed. My grid and EMI are along the front wall behind mey amp. I have all dedicated lines in my room

The Allocator will go along the side wall and employ all front ent power cords

I asked Gideon about raising the EMI and he had nothing conclusive to add however my EMI came with a short and vert tall antenna. The tall antenna is for large rooms but maybe it would be worth a try

one doesnt really understand how good these boxes are until they are placed in your system. Your observations are the same as mine

Indeed. My grid and EMI are along the front wall behind mey amp. I have all dedicated lines in my room

The Allocator will go along the side wall and employ all front ent power cords

I asked Gideon about raising the EMI and he had nothing conclusive to add however my EMI came with a short and vert tall antenna. The tall antenna is for large rooms but maybe it would be worth a try

one doesnt really understand how good these boxes are until they are placed in your system. Your observations are the same as mi

Indeed. My grid and EMI are along the front wall behind mey amp. I have all dedicated lines in my room

The Allocator will go along the side wall and employ all front ent power cords

I asked Gideon about raising the EMI and he had nothing conclusive to add however my EMI came with a short and vert tall antenna. The tall antenna is for large rooms but maybe it would be worth a try

one doesnt really understand how good these boxes are until they are placed in your system. Your observations are the same as mine

Good morning Steve.Thanks for your advice about EMI and grid.Then I've contact Gideon,very nice man and professinal,then it was easy with he's help.I did it,place two pieces in my system.In short, when I'm listening Keith Jarrett-Koln concert,Chet Baker-Chet I am smiling and enjoying .Magic and you don't need to wait till Christmas.Thank you Steve and Gideon

 

[jasond]

Wouldn't the performance of the Grid Protector be improved when powered by a Farad Super3 12V?

 

[steve williams]

I have no idea or even an answer. Why should it ? AFAIK the advice is to plug them directly into the wall.

 

[luca.pelliccioli]

Wouldn't the performance of the Grid Protector be improved when powered by a Farad Super3 12V?

It should be a nightmare, more space-boxes-power cords involved. I sincerely hope the answer is no…. And certainly don’t want to be the one to try that, too lazy to do that and simply happy with current results.

 

[jasond]

Well I am sure it’s already doing nicely with the default power supply but you know what a better power cord and power supply does to devices - for the scenario in which a powered grid protector is most useful. Have to admit still don’t know when this applies as it’s not stated clearly in the manual.

 

[Kingrex]

I wonder how this differs from Synergisyic Research. They have an antenna radiating something into the room. Poor Ted is so often referred to as Snake Oil as people don't get it. Just anecdotal it works. Sounds similar in concept.

 

[DasguteOhr]

I wonder how this differs from Synergisyic Research. They have an antenna radiating something into the room. Poor Ted is so often referred to as Snake Oil as people don't get it. Just anecdotal it works. Sounds similar in concept.

Both devices have a receiving and transmitting antenna, demodulating the interference signal from the audible frequency range. Roughly speaking, what kind of output signal is beyond my knowledge

 

[aangen]

Hi Steve, Thanks to you and Luca.Pelliccioli I have now ordered a Grid Protector from Gideon. Gideon encouraged me correctly to get the EMI Protector at the same time. I am going to hold off as I am a pleasure delayer. I am amused to be buying into what so many believe to be Snake Oil product once again. You and others here make it seem like a pretty safe bet.

I have no questions or additional comments.

 

[steve williams]

Hi Steve, Thanks to you and Luca.Pelliccioli I have now ordered a Grid Protector from Gideon. Gideon encouraged me correctly to get the EMI Protector at the same time. I am going to hold off as I am a pleasure delayer. I am amused to be buying into what so many believe to be Snake Oil product once again. You and others here make it seem like a pretty safe bet.

I have no questions or additional comments.

I found the EMI + Grid was more than 1+1=2