Too bad you’re a doubter Rex. I found a big difference with vinyl as well. I don’t think anyone has stated that this device is limited to the digital side of one’s system. They aren’t. The only one perhaps is the LAN Protecter. These are truly “system changers”
It’s wonderful, Steve, that these products have such a system-changer improvement on your already great system.
At the same time, measuring the effects of devices such as these can be interesting and maybe elucidating to this fascinating tech based hobby. The more we learn about things like RF and the influences on sq the better for everyone in this pursuit.
I totally agree. Perhaps you can do the measurements and report back. I wouldn’t know where or how to start. My enjoyment now comes from listening. I was the biggest skeptic about these devices. Now I can’t have my system playing without them being a part of my system.
Though there are still some questions about how to use it properly. From what I know it’s not advicesed to plug the Grid Potector into a power conditioner. Though some report they experienced better results with the Gryphon Powerzone when plugged into one of those slots.
And obviously within 30cm reach there is an additional benefit to RFI/EMI reduction. So it should be placed near the power supply or cables - so likely behind the rack where all this stuff comes together?
Too bad you’re a doubter Rex. I found a big difference with vinyl as well. I don’t think anyone has stated that this device is limited to the digital side of one’s system. They aren’t. The only one perhaps is the LAN Protecter. These are truly “system changers”
????????? I many times don't read what people say if I don't like them either. Hopefully someone has a RF meter and will measure the room. As well as evaluate hum with vinyl.
Though there are still sie questions about how to use it properly. From what I know it’s not advicesed to plug the Grid Potector into a power conditioner. Though some report they experienced better results with the Gryphon Powerzone when plugged into one of those slots.
And obviously within 30cm reach there is an additional benefit to RFI/EMI reduction. So it should be placed near the power supply or cables - so likely behind the rack where all this stuff comes together?
My EMI and GRID are at my front wall just inside either speaker and behind my amps. FWIW the EMI protector comes with the standard size antenna and with one about 3 times the length for larger rooms. I think people are reading too much into these devices. AFAIK they are not meant to be used with power conditioners. Perhaps Gideon might comment.
Good morning.
Having been with Schnerzinger in North America for 10 years, I have to convey that setup is nuanced with equipment/venue specific and subjective listening elements thrown in. It’s important to try and approach with an understanding that the instructions are a blueprint and a guide only. In local installs where I can setup personally, the client and I go through various sequences to lock in, where it stays.
Good morning.
Having been with Schnerzinger in North America for 10 years, I have to convey that setup is nuanced with equipment/venue specific and subjective listening elements thrown in. It’s important to try and approach with an understanding that the instructions are a blueprint and a guide only. In local installs where I can setup personally, the client and I go through various sequences to lock in, where it stays.
It seems this device is projecting something into the air. I have no idea what. My assumptipn is its almost like a swarm sub. Your modulating the RF waves in the air and trying to flatten them.
If in the most basic sense this is correct, then placement might be critical. Since the waves are so small, minute changes could matter. The sender is only so powerful, so location would matter too.
If it is demodulating RF, I am curious the affect on vinyl. I get a lot of calls from people with hum noise related to RF coupling to their equipment chassis creating hum. Could this help. I even have people with Lampizator DAC asking for assistance with hum. I believe RF is coupling to tubes in the power supply.
Again, does the Grid Protector help in this area of concern.
In GIN’s install above, he and I optimized a Grid and EMI with his Wilson’s and MSB based system. The analog flow and ease which we were able to achieve was incredibly rewarding. The balance attainable from both the Grid and EMI, through trial and error, is really worth the effort!
It seems this device is projecting something into the air. I have no idea what. My assumptipn is its almost like a swarm sub. Your modulating the RF waves in the air and trying to flatten them.
If in the most basic sense this is correct, then placement might be critical. Since the waves are so small, minute changes could matter. The sender is only so powerful, so location would matter too.
If it is demodulating RF, I am curious the affect on vinyl. I get a lot of calls from people with hum noise related to RF coupling to their equipment chassis creating hum. Could this help. I even have people with Lampizator DAC asking for assistance with hum. I believe RF is coupling to tubes in the power supply.
Again, does the Grid Protector help in this area of concern.
not sure what you mean. I said that since I began using the EMi and Grid protectors, the transformer hum heard from my amps through my speakers is gone
not sure what you mean. I said that since I began using the EMi and Grid protectors, the transformer hum heard from my amps through my speakers is gone
Though there are still some questions about how to use it properly. From what I know it’s not advicesed to plug the Grid Potector into a power conditioner. Though some report they experienced better results with the Gryphon Powerzone when plugged into one of those slots.
And obviously within 30cm reach there is an additional benefit to RFI/EMI reduction. So it should be placed near the power supply or cables - so likely behind the rack where all this stuff comes together?
Let me clarify, the Gryphon PowerZone is not a conditioner, hence I got best results plugging the Grid Protector into it. More than using a wall socket.
Even if my system is a solid state, all the switches set to 2 position is my preferred option. It requires the wall wart permanently plugged into (a different) wall socket in the room.
I placed the Grid Protector behind the rack, on the floor, close to the PowerZone itself, I noticed that my amp became dead silent (unlike Steve in my case I’m referring to mechanical buzz from the toroidal transformer). It should mean that it’s working on the electrical flow too.
As for the sound, that is the real thing I’m focused on, the improvement achieved in realism, naturalness, engagement… immediately drove me to forget any other aspects about this device. Love it and want to purchase as soon as possible the EMI Protector too.
I placed the Grid Protector behind the rack, on the floor, close to the PowerZone itself, I noticed that my amp became dead silent (unlike Steve in my case I’m referring to mechanical buzz from the toroidal transformer). It should mean that it’s working on the electrical flow too.
It’s price for both though is quite hefty.
But will be very interesting to see the effect of the Grid Protector on amps with toroidal power supplies vs those with switching mode.
I currently have my Grid Protector sitting at the rear center of my Gryphon Apex. I have it there just for easy access to it. Behind the amplifier is a space between two racks with the rest of my gear. After I am through trying this and that switch setting I intend to get it off the amp. It has two huge toroidal transformers that never made noise before. They are silent as always. I do have the fixed power cord from my GP plugged into my PowerZone. The ease of the music with the GP is quite wonderful.
It amuses me to think about how someone would measure this device. I have never been very interested in measurements as my ears can't read. They tell me all I want to know.
It amuses me to think about how someone would measure this device. I have never been very interested in measurements as my ears can't read. They tell me all I want to know.
That’s what I said to Wil earlier I said I wouldn't have a clue where to start or what to measure. My only interest is what I hear. Listening with these devices is an immediate revelation. I’m not the least bit interested in measurements
Do I understand correctly that the Allocator has a Giga cancelling technology integrated as part of the Allocator? If so, does one then need a separate Grid Protector in one's system?
