This Corona Virus Mania is Just Too Much, We All Need to Chill!

[DaveC]

Honestly Dave do you think it was
conscious ? All over the world with different governments this virus has
surprised. The tough decision to close down and hurt your own economy, against maybe having
widespread infection. It not easy.
Part of the problem is the delay factor of this decease, when you
start seeing high numbers, it is almost to late. I think it is case of wishful thinking, more than deliberation.

I understand your POV but IMO it's a massive lack of judgement to not prepare with PPE and testing. Better to have it and not need it than be faced with what we have to deal with now.

Just this week local health facilities couldn't tell people if they had covid for 5 to 7 days and only those with suspected cases are able to be tested at all. This is unforgivable and negligent to the degree I think it's criminal, the results of this decision are horrendous.

 

[Bobvin]

I’m with Dave on this, the planning and scenarios have been played out, the reports and studies performed, and then when the pricetag was applied those in power chose instead to play politics and either ignore the studies or instead to focus on matters more politically expedient for them. This is the same regardless of political persuasion and happened not only in US but seems across Europe as well. Some of our asian neighbors who dealt with SARS show they did actually learn some things and were a bit more prepared.

 

[Steve williams]

This was voiced on a TV newscast yesterday........

Gives me pause to reflect on where we are in the world today......IMO you cannot put a price on the value of a human life

"have argued that older Americans and others more vulnerable to the disease should sacrifice themselves for the good of the economy.
During his Thursday night program, he defended Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who argued that "lots of grandparents" were willing to die of COVID-19 if it meant the economy could get back up and running more quickly".

Lets not turn this into a political commentary please

 

[howiebrou]

After I dealt with a disease that could have resulted in a global pandemic, I put in storage enough PPE to last a long time. That included surgical masks, N95 masks, gowns, gloves, boots, shoe covers, etc. The first time we were not prepared and we had to scramble. after the stockpile was organized, our workers simply used stuff from the front and we ordered replacements to keep the stock full otherwise the stock would rot. I was not prepared to not have enough PPE for any disease that could cause fatalities. We used that PPE when we had two more outbreaks. We can not expect workers to do a job that is already so difficult without addressing their needs.

 

[andromedaaudio]

I looked at the latest pressconference from govenor cuomo , it seems NY is also reaching its plateau regarding new cases
I wouldnt be surprised if it starts to come down in the coming days .
UK probably too

 

[dminches]

I looked at the latest pressconference from govenor cuomo , it seems NY is also reaching its plateau regarding new cases
I wouldnt be surprised if it starts to come down in the coming days .
UK probably too

The hope is the same pattern follows in the states that have mandated the same level of business closure and stay at home rules. I don’t understand why there are still states that have not.

 

[djsina2]

I looked at the latest pressconference from govenor cuomo , it seems NY is also reaching its plateau regarding new cases
I wouldnt be surprised if it starts to come down in the coming days .
UK probably too

Coming down or not there are only about 9k deaths in the US. If the 100k+ estimate is accurate we’re only at the very beginning and it’ll be a slower and steady death count for months.

 

[Lagonda]

I understand your POV but IMO it's a massive lack of judgement to not prepare with PPE and testing. Better to have it and not need it than be faced with what we have to deal with now.

Just this week local health facilities couldn't tell people if they had covid for 5 to 7 days and only those with suspected cases are able to be tested at all. This is unforgivable and negligent to the degree I think it's criminal, the results of this decision are horrendous.

In honesty,
that seems to be the case in most countries mine included.
The only ones well prepared for testing and protection of large quantity’s of people, are the ones
that had virus outbreaks recently.
One sunshine storie is from the Faroe Islands where a Salmon infection
years ago had resulted in continuous
testing and ramping up of testing facilities. A smart guy in that agency
saw the potential and had the
facilities converted and prepared for
coronavirus testing. They are now
one of the best tested populations
in the world, and the guy has become
a national hero.

 

[andromedaaudio]

Look its a new virus

Coming down or not there are only about 9k deaths in the US. If the 100k+ estimate is accurate we’re only at the very beginning and it’ll be a slower and steady death count for months.

Looking at the numbers from italy spain belgium netherlands they have all reached a certain plateau now for a number of days and have started to come down .
So most likely its the same for the US, but as this is a new virus nobody knows for a 100 % how all this will play out
China most likely also had this kind of a pattern , but i dont trust their numbers i think their deathtoll has been much higher

 

[Bobvin]

The hope is the same pattern follows in the states that have mandated the same level of business closure and stay at home rules. I don’t understand why there are still states that have not.

Because not all states have the same density of population and close quarters like major cities such as NYC, were you have to share an elevator to get to your home, and walk past each other on the street, or ride mass transit. To shut down all business in rural areas is crazy. I live a hundred yards from my neighbors, drive 5 miles to get groceries. I ride my bike on secluded mountain roads with maybe 4 cars go past in an hour. Lock me up in my home? to that I say piss off.

 

[DaveC]

Because not all states have the same density of population and close quarters like major cities such as NYC, were you have to share an elevator to get to your home, and walk past each other on the street, or ride mass transit. To shut down all business in rural areas is crazy. I live a hundred yards from my neighbors, drive 5 miles to get groceries. I ride my bike on secluded mountain roads with maybe 4 cars go past in an hour. Lock me up in my home? to that I say piss off.

At least here we are allowed to bike and hike on roads and trails, there are tons of people out on bikes right now and walking around the neighborhood. I don't see this as a problem as long as people keep distance from one another.

 

[spiritofmusic]

I looked at the latest pressconference from govenor cuomo , it seems NY is also reaching its plateau regarding new cases
I wouldnt be surprised if it starts to come down in the coming days .
UK probably too

Last 4 days in UK, %age increases on previous day
Deaths +5 +20 +5 -18
Infections +0 +0 +0 -13
Some reasonable hope we're turning the corner.
And this is for those affected prior to our 13 day long semi-lockdown
Additionally, Sweden who have been practicing the mildest form of self distancing as UK was doing 4 wks ago, their infection rate has dropped 50% in 2 days from 600 on 2/4 to 300 on 4/4.

 

[dminches]

Because not all states have the same density of population and close quarters like major cities such as NYC, were you have to share an elevator to get to your home, and walk past each other on the street, or ride mass transit. To shut down all business in rural areas is crazy. I live a hundred yards from my neighbors, drive 5 miles to get groceries. I ride my bike on secluded mountain roads with maybe 4 cars go past in an hour. Lock me up in my home? to that I say piss off.

First, some of the areas that are open are not rural. Second, this is what the medical professionals are saying. I believe them before I believe a governor. This disease will spread through the entire country. It already has in most areas.

 

[Vienna]

Last 4 days in UK, %age increases on previous day
Deaths +5 +20 +5 -18
Infections +0 +0 +0 -13
Some reasonable hope we're turning the corner.
And this is for those affected prior to our 13 day long semi-lockdown
Additionally, Sweden who have been practicing the mildest form of self distancing as UK was doing 4 wks ago, their infection rate has dropped 50% in 2 days from 600 on 2/4 to 300 on 4/4.

In Greece numbers look good too. We are reasonably optimistic

 

[Gregadd]

It would have been simple.
1. Assess the risk.
2. Produce the policy and resources.
3. Distribute the resources and implement policy.
Policy could have been adjusted and phased in on the fly.
I believe this could easily have been done in 90 days. Instead we are waiting on a miracle.

 

[spiritofmusic]

According to Worldometer, seasonal flu still running at 5-6x the number deaths globally of Covid-19.

 

[dminches]

The "good" news is that it looks like the number of new cases and deaths are starting to level off in NY and NJ. If so, that should give other states that followed behind them a sense for what pattern they may expect to see. We still have a long way to go but this is better news than not.

 

[Ron Resnick]

According to Worldometer, seasonal flu still running at 5-6x the number deaths globally of Covid-19.

Yes, but, we now know that the seasonal flu does not trigger, in some presently seemingly random way (not random, of course, but scientists, apparently, do not yet know the exact triggering biological or medical cause) the excessive immune response to the Wuhan virus in people of all ages which causes the rapid lung damage which kills even most people on ventilators. [Medical members: please correct my purely layman's understanding of this.]

I subscribed to the "it's only a flu" analogy originally myself. I no longer find the analogy apposite.

 

[howiebrou]

Yes, but, we now know that the seasonal flu does not trigger, in some presently seemingly random way (not random, of course, but scientists, apparently, do not yet know the exact triggering biological or medical cause) the excessive immune response to the Wuhan virus in people of all ages which causes the rapid lung damage which kills even most people on ventilators. [Medical members: please correct my purely layman's understanding of this.]

I subscribed to the "it's only a flu" analogy originally myself. I no longer find the analogy apposite.

Ron, many subscribed to that view. Kudos for admitting it and changing your view. Very admirable, unfortunately there are many too arrogant to admit it.

 

[Folsom]

Aside from peanut allergy kids don't usually have as aggressive of responses to anything, they don't have as many auto-immune diseases. That's been changing a little bit in more recent times, but still is predominately the case. Why? While there are hormone changes that happen there's actually a pretty easy answer, they haven't had the time to suffer the consequences of poor microbiome health. @Ron Resnick

But are all covid19 deaths from the immune response damaging the lungs? Unlikely. The receptor the virus likes is needed to help lower blood pressure and general cardio inflammation. That means someone in poor condition can get much worse, fast, without getting any of the natural anti-inflammatory action. This could be related to some of the mysterious deaths.