This Corona Virus Mania is Just Too Much, We All Need to Chill!

[dminches]

That information is one person's opinion and contains data which is likely not accurate.

I read through the AEI recommendations which seems reasonable but here is the kicker:

Establish Immune Protection and Lift Physical Distancing During Phase III. Physical distancing restrictions and other Phase II measures can be lifted when safe and effective tools for mitigating the risk of COVID-19 are available, including broad surveillance, therapeutics that can rescue patients with significant disease or prevent serious illness in those most at risk, or a safe and effective vaccine.

I have not heard 1 medical professional say that they expect any effective treatment or vaccine to be available in calendar year 2020. I also doubt that they will be able to figure out who is really at risk and who is not. Without either or both I don't see how large crowds will be safe. All you need is for a handful of people who are contagious to ride the NYC subways and the outbreak starts all over again, assuming it ever stopped.

Taiwan tracks ever single person who comes into their country and tracks them for 2 weeks, I believe. I can't see the US ever having the infrastructure to do that.

I think re-opening things is going to take awhile and even when it does, it will be risky for a lot of people.

 

[ddk]

That information is one person's opinion and contains data which is likely not accurate...

All we have are opinions, no one has more than that!

david

 

[the sound of Tao]

It may be persistent pneumonia. Covid sufferers who go on to a 3-4 wk illness period are afflicted by this.

He needs rest. Tricky when you're trying to sort things w the country.

Boris should look after himself, he has a pregnant wife and staying alive should be his first priority. I am figuring there must be a deputy PM.

Perhaps he will need to show great leadership by letting go at some point and giving himself over to getting better and his trust in the NHS.

 

[Lagonda]

I got this from a close doctor friend;

"I agree that the cure is ending up being worse than the disease, but the only way to get around signing off on overwhelmed ICU’s is to regionalize the cure. NY is way underbedded overall and for ICU beds - that's a local problem other states should not just blanket assume they will be in the same boat."

https://covid19.healthdata.org

"This is a daily tracker of actual numbers based on state reporting, some states report better than others"

https://covidtracking.com/data

"so for example, looking at the entire USA as of today:

projected needs: 179k beds, 33k icu beds, 26k ventilators

actual numbers: 22k beds, 5200 icu beds, 656 ventilators (and I would argue that the total beds are falsely elevated bc many patients are not sick but nursing homes won't take them without a 14 day wait time - so many of the 22k are well enough to leave but can't. Meanwhile the number of actual ventilators being used is hugely underestimated bc many states don't report that properly. The best proxy for all of this is total bed use in terms of state reporting, given inconsistencies in ventilator and ICU bed reporting. Even then, some majorly involved states like NY, Cali, and WA state, are reporting numbers very poorly, so hard to know)"

………………………………………………………………………

"This guy has a very good approach to the whole thing. and one thing that needs to happen asap: we need to know prevalence of disease right now. What Fauci etc should do is but aside about 4000 tests and do a true random community sample to see who's carrying this, and roll out the antibody test and do the same thing - a random sample to see who's been infected previously. A properly designed random sample can be extrapolated to the population and guide policy now, instead of killing everyone with economic destruction and like this author says, we need to move fast to make regional adjustments. NY may have to go down, the rest of us don't. This again all comes down to getting a buttload of testing available - then we can be like Germany and South Korea - things are open, every intervention is targeted."

https://www.aei.org/research-products/report/national-coronavirus-response-a-road-map-to-reopening/

david

Regretfully i don’t think you can compare the US to South Korea or
Germany, they started mitigation efforts long before the US

 

[spiritofmusic]

Dominic Raab is Deputy PM. We haven't seen much of him during this whole crisis. We may start to do so now.

 

[dminches]

Regretfully i don’t think you can compare the US to South Korea or
Germany, they started mitigation efforts long before the US

The US testing is still not widespread and available to everyone. How is that possible? My 72 year old neighbor has CV-19-like symptoms and went to the hospital to get tested once his doctor approved it. They told him it could take 5-7 days to get results. So much for the 15 minute test we have been hearing about. Shameful.

 

[djsina2]

The US testing is still not widespread and available to everyone. How is that possible? My 72 year old neighbor has CV-19-like symptoms and went to the hospital to get tested once his doctor approved it. They told him it could take 5-7 days to get results. So much for the 15 minute test we have been hearing about. Shameful.

You sure complain a lot. Did you hear Birx talk yesterday how they are having a very difficult time getting hospitals to use the new 15 min test? She said there are 500k of them already deployed and sitting unused. She attributed it to doctors being set in their ways with the original slow test.

 

[dminches]

You sure complain a lot. Did you hear Birx talk yesterday how they are having a very difficult time getting hospitals to use the new 15 min test? She said there are 500k of them already deployed and sitting unused. She attributed it to doctors being set in their ways with the original slow test.

Complain? I am stating facts. The US response to this has been an embarrassment.

Not all the information at these press conferences is accurate. I believe the governors who are actually fighting this.

 

[Alrainbow]

Another website tracking the coronav's progress with easy to follow graphs. What's interesting is the last box comparing total mentions of this pandemic vs previous ones by media. Really why I started this thread, I still believe that we're being manipulated to a great extent with unnecessary fear and most data I see here and on other sites isn't that bad.

https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/

david

This is how I feel too. I’m retired from the healthcare system and have dr fiends too. yes many die but the says don’t line up per say. Lets say an overweight diabetic has chest pains
Once taken he is tested and if he has corona that’s it he is now sick of it. See my point
Yet. Sats in nyc are just off as well. Media claims bodies lie dead in bags. sick in the halls.
No so now maybe as a truck pulls up to empty the Morgue yes. Of course this is the pic we have
Nyc is not a third world country
Many hospitals have laid off many who do elected surgery
Yet our heckle and jeckle scream on tv we need out of state workers ???? Why the laid off ones on unemployment
Out of state Feds pay see my point yet. Nyc is dead broke
Cuomo is doing all he can to make money off of this.
just my view as I do see first hand .

 

[Lagonda]

The US testing is still not widespread and available to everyone. How is that possible? My 72 year old neighbor has CV-19-like symptoms and went to the hospital to get tested once his doctor approved it. They told him it could take 5-7 days to get results. So much for the 15 minute test we have been hearing about. Shameful.

It’s a matter of not enough tests and personnel, not bad intentions, and bad communication. Just saying everything is “fantastic “is not going to cut it in this situation, be honest with the population ! A test is not going to stop the spread anyway,
you have to assume for now that anybody with a sniffle(and without)can spreading this thing.

 

[dminches]

It’s a matter of not enough tests and personnel, not bad intentions, and bad communication. Just saying everything is “fantastic “is not going to cut it in this situation, be honest with the population ! A test is not going to stop the spread anyway,
you have to assume for now that anybody with a sniffle(and without)can spreading this thing.

If you test everyone, including those who asymptomatic, that could slow the spread. Some of the reports suggest that 25-30% of infections are asymptomatic. Those people could likely be responsible for a lot of the spread since they don’t know they are sick. Didn’t South Korea start to test everyone to mitigate that? I can’t recall.

 

[Lagonda]

If you test everyone, including those who asymptomatic, that could slow the spread. Some of the reports suggest that 25-30% of infections are asymptomatic. Those people could likely be responsible for a lot of the spread since they don’t know they are sick. Didn’t South Korea start to test everyone to mitigate that? I can’t recall.

But South Korea got started with
mitigation much earlier, if you want to
stop spread by testing and isolating
specific people you can’t have a epidemic as widespread as the American one. You have to assume
everyone has it and after the curb breaks you can use the tests to
open society up again.

 

[ddk]

Complain? I am stating facts. The US response to this has been an embarrassment.

Compared to whom? By what standards are you going by David? Who's worked harder and faster, please provide data you're using to bitch from your basement?

david

 

[Barry2013]

Will the investigations lead to the impeachment of leaders? These will be highly charged times.

They are more intended to study the facts and draw lessons for the future than to "try" the principals but not always as simple as that in practice.

 

[djsina2]

Complain? I am stating facts. The US response to this has been an embarrassment.

Not all the information at these press conferences is accurate. I believe the governors who are actually fighting this.

Certainly entitled to your own made up facts but the constant whining doesn’t help anything.

 

[ddk]

Regretfully i don’t think you can compare the US to South Korea or
Germany, they started mitigation efforts long before the US

Not comparing anything Lagonda, it's just a suggestion that some sampling might help understand the statistics better.

david

 

[Steve williams]

Boris should look after himself, he has a pregnant wife and staying alive should be his first priority. I am figuring there must be a deputy PM.

Perhaps he will need to show great leadership by letting go at some point and giving himself over to getting better and his trust in the NHS.

Not only Boris but how about the Queen and the Royal family.

 

[dminches]

Compared to whom? By what standards are you going by David? Who's worked harder and faster, please provide data you're using to bitch from your basement?

david

It took the US almost 2 months from the time we first knew about the virus to do anything.

Taiwan had the same warning we did and they have 1/6 the number of infections per capita.

You want data? Read this article and tell me if our response was timely.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...unction/?arc404=true&itid=lk_inline_manual_14

 

[dminches]

Certainly entitled to your own made up facts but the constant whining doesn’t help anything.

Sorry if my concern that 100-200k Americans could die is whining to you. Put me on ignore if it bothers you so much.

 

[the sound of Tao]

There has been a homicide investigation launched in Australia into the breach of border control of a cruise ship whose 2700 passengers were released unscreened into Sydney from a ship with significant incidents on board of people reported ill with flu like symptoms.

The Ruby Princess (sister ship to the Diamond Princess the earlier Covid quarantined ship in Yokohama) passengers were released with no social distancing protocols and the 2700 people then returned to their homes and families, boarded trains and planes and some even flew back to Singapore, Europe and the UK.

10 per cent of the Covid cases contracted in Australia are being reported as possibly linked to the released passengers in addition all those who had been in contact with them since.

Of the crew that still remains aboard offshore over 200 are reported to have Covid symptoms.

Well beyond any simple CF (first word still cluster) criminal negligence is being investigated as well with the ship liner owners and even our state health minister looking like they may have a case to answer.

From a local news source (Channel 7) an excerpt of the story below

When the luxurious Ruby Princess cruise liner entered Sydney Heads in the early hours of March 19, most were unaware it was a viral bomb poised to detonate in the heart of Australia’s largest city.

As of April 5, 660 passengers from this voyage have tested positive for COVID 19 and 11 have died.

An email, obtained by 7NEWS from the highest echelon of the NSW Government, speaks of deep concerns when the ship arrived in Sydney on March 8, 2020 – before 2,700 new passengers joined over 1,000 crew members who’d remained on board, for a cruise to New Zealand.

The sobering email, dated March 13, was from Sarah Marshall, a senior executive of the Port Authority of NSW to her colleagues.

It said the Ruby Princess had arrived in the port on March 8 with ‘158 people who were sick and 13 of whom had a temperature. NSW Health arrived at the OPT [Overseas Passenger Terminal] to screen the sick passengers. This was when Port Authority were alerted to the situation.’

What the passengers who boarded the Ruby Princess on the afternoon of March 8 didn’t know was the ship for their ‘holiday of a lifetime’ was a petri dish of infection.

They boarded blithely unaware of the peril they were about to face.

On March 15, the ship was in Napier, New Zealand when the passengers got the worst news they’d hear on their voyage - because of weather issues, they’d be heading back to Sydney.

The passengers – all 2,700 of them left the ship on the morning of March 19.

Bill Beerens (a passenger) recalled social distancing wasn’t anywhere to be seen.

“We were just rushed off like sheep, really it was absolutely terrible, and there was no indication of anybody being sick what-so-ever...nobody,” he said.

The passengers scattered from the terminal by bus, car and public transport to their homes.

Many headed to the airport to fly both nationally and internationally.