This Corona Virus Mania is Just Too Much, We All Need to Chill!

[Ron Resnick]

Ron, many subscribed to that view. Kudos for admitting it and changing your view. Very admirable, unfortunately there are many too arrogant to admit it.

Thank you, but no kudos are warranted. I hope that our opinions on all topics are susceptible to self-review and modification and even reversal when presented with new information.

Even one week ago I personally did not know:

1) How horrible is the process to be breathing from a ventilator;

2) How high is the percentage of people who go on ventilators that end up dying anyway; and

3) That even some younger, perfectly healthy people who had only moderate virus symptoms for a few days suddenly deteriorated very rapidly due the excessive immune response lung problem, and died.

This sure ain't the regular flu!

 

[Gregadd]

I suggest "leveling off" is a rather modest goal. And we have not met it.

 

[Steve williams]

Thank you, but no kudos are warranted. I hope that our opinions on all topics are susceptible to self-review and modification and even reversal when presented with new information.

Even one week ago I personally did not know:

1) How horrible is the process to be breathing from a ventilator;

2) How high is the percentage of people who go on ventilators that end up dying anyway; and

3) That even some younger, perfectly healthy people who had only moderate virus symptoms for a few days suddenly deteriorated very rapidly due the excessive immune response lung problem, and died.

This sure ain't the regular flu!

Ron you are even closer to the epicenter here in California than I am. FWIW yesterday in Los Angeles a 32 yo woman was admitted with symptoms to the hospital and was dead 12 hours later.
This is a different creature than the flu

 

[Folsom]

Ron you are even closer to the epicenter here in California than I am. FWIW yesterday in Los Angeles a woman was admitted with symptoms to the hospital and was dead 12 hours later.
This is a different creature than the flu

That sounds scary, but mysterious deaths are not new. It's scary when you say it like that, but it's not as scary when all my smoking old relatives survived uncomfortably, but are fine. If there's a simple way to exacerbate symptoms (possibly deaths) it's mental anxiety from fear.

It's not the flu, but we really need numbers of recovered/asymptomatic. It's been here for 4 months...

 

[djsina2]

Thank you, but no kudos are warranted. I hope that our opinions on all topics are susceptible to self-review and modification and even reversal when presented with new information.

Even one week ago I personally did not know:

1) How horrible is the process to be breathing from a ventilator;

2) How high is the percentage of people who go on ventilators that end up dying anyway; and

3) That even some younger, perfectly healthy people who had only moderate virus symptoms for a few days suddenly deteriorated very rapidly due the excessive immune response lung problem, and died.

This sure ain't the regular flu!

I don’t think anyone is comparing this to the flu. In the end what does it matter? To say young people don’t also die from the flu is misleading.

From the CDC for 2019...

“An estimated 8,100 deaths occurred among working age adults (aged 18–64 years)”

 

[beaur]

Ron you are even closer to the epicenter here in California than I am. FWIW yesterday in Los Angeles a 32 yo woman was admitted with symptoms to the hospital and was dead 12 hours later.
This is a different creature than the flu

Steve,

Pick a medical problem and I can come up with an anecdotal story that scares the crap out of people. The main issue with this one is the unknown. Yes, it's not the flu but that's the closest analog people have for comparison. The flu is a known quantity that actually has a vaccine that works most of the time and we have had time to acclimate to the fact that 20-60K die per year in the US from the flu. Because we don't have a way to prevent this seemingly unstoppable disease we run scared as we should. If this turns out to be persistent then we will eventually get comfortable with it and it will fade into the background. I was having a conversation with a few friends and someone said they would rather be diagnosed with cancer than COVID right now. That tells me a lot about how this virus is perceived and how many don't understand the risks.

 

[Folsom]

I was having a conversation with a few friends and someone said they would rather be diagnosed with cancer than COVID right now.

 

[andromedaaudio]

On a somewhat positive note ( as it seems like)

Its not like the spanish flu .
According to what i read it wiped out 50-100 million people specifically in the 20 - 40 year range .

 

[Folsom]

Well, as per usual the most corrupt bank in (the world?) US proves their status, again. Lots of problems... issues with stimulus are interesting.

NSFW

 

[PeterA]

We in Denmark closed everything down before we had our first casualty, but are still putting together
a bipartisan commission to find
out what we did wrong and be better
prepared for next time.

Will the investigations lead to the impeachment of leaders? These will be highly charged times.

 

[jeff1225]

Well, as per usual the most corrupt bank in (the world?) US proves their status, again. Lots of problems... issues with stimulus are interesting.

NSFW

No that would be and always has been Deutsche Bank.

 

[Lagonda]

Will the investigations lead to the impeachment of leaders? These will be highly charged times.

Hopefully not , we don’t impeach, we give them “ noses”( a official “bad review “) and most never
recover political from that
The only politicians i ever remember
going to prison was a mayor that
spent to much taxpayer money
on expensive red vine and maybe
took a couple of bribes

 

[andromedaaudio]

I think the politicians here in belgium and the netherlands do a pretty good job.
I assume the rest of the world too.
Nobody can be 100 % prepared for something like this off course .
Its a thing that happens once in a century .

 

[andromedaaudio]

I think our future will be daily testing and a badge , if you test negative its for everybody to see lol

Probably the only way to get confidence back in human interactions / the economy .

 

[dminches]

I think our future will be daily testing and a badge , if you test negative its for everybody to see lol

Probably the only way to get confidence back in human interactions / the economy .

I don't think it is the negative test indicator that will do it since you could have picked it up an hour after testing negative. I think it could be the "I had it and now I am immune to it and can't pass it on" badge. If that's possible...

 

[the sound of Tao]

This was voiced on a TV newscast yesterday........

Gives me pause to reflect on where we are in the world today......IMO you cannot put a price on the value of a human life

"have argued that older Americans and others more vulnerable to the disease should sacrifice themselves for the good of the economy.
During his Thursday night program, he defended Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who argued that "lots of grandparents" were willing to die of COVID-19 if it meant the economy could get back up and running more quickly".

Lets not turn this into a political commentary please

Certainly not a political comment but rather a social one this is a sad indictment of an individual and not a system. Some people just have a moral compass that is broken and the rest now know him largely for all he’s worth.

As a comment it was a CF (first word is cluster) of ugly dumb thinking and empty values not really worthy of anyone or of anything.

 

[spiritofmusic]

*BREAKING NEWS*
Boris admitted to hospital for further tests, his high temperature won't go down.
We're obviously gonna have to beat this the hard way.
The Queen made a fantastic address to the nation earlier.

 

[Lagonda]

*BREAKING NEWS*
Boris admitted to hospital for further tests, his high temperature won't go down.
We're obviously gonna have to beat this the hard way.
The Queen made a fantastic address to the nation earlier.

 

[spiritofmusic]

It may be persistent pneumonia. Covid sufferers who go on to a 3-4 wk illness period are afflicted by this.

He needs rest. Tricky when you're trying to sort things w the country.

 

[ddk]

I got this from a close doctor friend;

"I agree that the cure is ending up being worse than the disease, but the only way to get around signing off on overwhelmed ICU’s is to regionalize the cure. NY is way underbedded overall and for ICU beds - that's a local problem other states should not just blanket assume they will be in the same boat."

https://covid19.healthdata.org

"This is a daily tracker of actual numbers based on state reporting, some states report better than others"

https://covidtracking.com/data

"so for example, looking at the entire USA as of today:

projected needs: 179k beds, 33k icu beds, 26k ventilators

actual numbers: 22k beds, 5200 icu beds, 656 ventilators (and I would argue that the total beds are falsely elevated bc many patients are not sick but nursing homes won't take them without a 14 day wait time - so many of the 22k are well enough to leave but can't. Meanwhile the number of actual ventilators being used is hugely underestimated bc many states don't report that properly. The best proxy for all of this is total bed use in terms of state reporting, given inconsistencies in ventilator and ICU bed reporting. Even then, some majorly involved states like NY, Cali, and WA state, are reporting numbers very poorly, so hard to know)"

………………………………………………………………………

"This guy has a very good approach to the whole thing. and one thing that needs to happen asap: we need to know prevalence of disease right now. What Fauci etc should do is but aside about 4000 tests and do a true random community sample to see who's carrying this, and roll out the antibody test and do the same thing - a random sample to see who's been infected previously. A properly designed random sample can be extrapolated to the population and guide policy now, instead of killing everyone with economic destruction and like this author says, we need to move fast to make regional adjustments. NY may have to go down, the rest of us don't. This again all comes down to getting a buttload of testing available - then we can be like Germany and South Korea - things are open, every intervention is targeted."

https://www.aei.org/research-products/report/national-coronavirus-response-a-road-map-to-reopening/

david