Wilson Audio Chronosonic XVX First Impressions

I just spent over six hours today listening to my friend's new Wilson Audio Chronosonic XVX loudspeakers. Consistent with being blown away by the Master Chronosonic + Master Subsonic system at Maier Shadi's demo in Santa Monica, and consistent with a couple of reports by people who auditioned at Maier's both the Master Chronosonic and later the XVX and preferred the XVX, I am here to report officially that I think the XVX is now my favorite conventional cone driver speaker system. I think I prefer the XVX even to my longtime favorite dynamic driver loudspeaker, the mighty Rockport Arrakis.

Prior to the XVX, my friend had the Alexx. The height alone of the XVX over the Alexx affords the system the height and scale and grandeur I always notice and appreciate from very tall loudspeakers.

I don't know why the XVX is an order of magnitude better -- next level better -- than the Alexx. But I am certain that it is.

I think the XVX is the first dynamic driver speaker of which I was very aware that you can hear seemingly almost everything at fairly low listening volumes. It doesn't need to be played loudly to be heard comfortably.

In much the same way that people like to applaud their digital playback systems by saying "it sounds like analog," dynamic driver loudspeaker aficionados like to say their cone speakers have "electrostatic-like transparency." Believe me, if most dynamic driver speakers had "electrostatic-like transparency" we would not need electrostatic speakers.

As somebody who loves electrostatic speakers I have always been aware that speakers of other topologies are one or two steps less transparent than electrostatic speakers. I feel like the XVX truly has "electrostatic-like transparency" -- at least credibly so, and more so than any other cone speaker I've ever heard.

Just like I felt about the Master Chronosonic the XVX gives one the sense of unlimited dynamic capability. There is a limitlessness and an effortlessness to the sound that I do not hear from other box speakers. Other heroically inert box speakers sound tightly wrapped or button-downed by comparison -- like some portion of the sound is trapped in the box and having trouble freeing itself. The XVX sounds open somehow -- a sonic presentation I associate with planar speakers, not with big box speakers.

I know, I know, I know. I am thinking and saying the same things you are: these are meaningless statements as you can't compare loudspeakers in different systems from fault-prone memory; you will never be able to hear an XVX versus a Rockport Arrakis, or an XVX versus a VSA Ultra 11, in the same room with the same associated components at the same time, etc., etc. I know, and I agree with you.

All I am saying is that if you put a gun to my head and told me I had to buy a dynamic driver loudspeaker system for my personal system and cost was not a factor. . . I would say take the gun away from my head. Then I would tell you I will order XVX + Master Subsonics.

Without intending to be coy, I couch this is terms of "the XVX is the box speaker I would I buy if I had to buy a box speaker for myself" rather than "the XVX is the best box speaker I've ever heard," because I cannot hear the Von Schweikert Audio Ultra 11 and the Evolution Acoustics MM7 and the Rockport Arrakis and the YG XV in the same room in the same system as the XVX + Subsonics. So it just does not make any sense to declare, and it is analytically defective to declare, that the XVX is the best speaker I have ever heard.

My view that if I had to buy a box speaker I would buy the XVX + Subsonics is a combination of what I heard from the XVX, what I vaguely remember from hearing these other other speakers in other systems, and my slight prejudice against ceramic drivers which I would be worried I might find uncomfortable over a long period of time. (I would worry the same about beryllium drivers and about diamond encrusted drivers.)

I have owned only planar loudspeakers my entire life. I literally couldn't bear to listen to Wilson Audio speakers with metal dome tweeters. I have never been a big fan of Wilson Audio speakers in general. But I thought I heard magic from Maier's demo of the Master Chronosonic, and my experience today proves that that inkling was correct.

I don't know how or what Daryl Wilson did to achieve it, but I am reporting that to my ears the XVX is a very, very special speaker. It is a stunning achievement in dynamic driver loudspeaker design specifically, and in loudspeaker design in general.

PS: Assuming they physically fit in Michael Fremer's listening room, I have no doubt that Michael will upgrade his Alexx to XVX. He might go in not wanting to upgrade, but after hearing these there is no way he's going to be happy without the XVX.

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he changed the membrane and the drive is not oem scanspeak
I have heard those claims before .
Show me the proof i would say , put 2 units next to each other and then see whats left of those claims.
What they are basically saying is that scanspeak has not done their job well .
Quit laughable to me , first they like the units and use them , and then supposedly they arent good enough and have to change them .
Supposedly they have to change the drive / magnet system and membrane .
If you have production machines to do that , you might as well start your own unit business , why call it a scanspeak unit then to begin with .
 
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I have heard those claims before .
Show me the proof i woud say , put 2 units next to each other and then see whats left of those claims.
What they are basically saying is that scanspeak has not done their job well .
Quit laughable to me , first they like the units and use them , and then supposedly they arent good enough and have change it .
Supposedly they have change the drive / magnet system and membrane .
If you have production machines to do that , you might as well start your own unit business , why call it a scanspeak unit then to begin with .
Go to Brilion, listen to the speaker, Joachim Gerhard is one of the nicest people in the hi-fi industry, he'll explain if it's not a trade secret;)

P.S two auto hours away from netherland
you absolutely have to listen to the little speakers, then you wonder how it works???
 
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I don't know what exactly was done, go there and let him explain and nice listen to music.
if you are so interested in this then he is the first point of contact.;)
 
I ll report back on the XVX s when i have heard them in munchen and hear how those latest bass cones ( paper sandwich / foam composites ?? ) perform
 
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I ll report back on the XVX s when i have heard them in munchen and hear how those latest bass cones ( paper sandwich / foam composites ?? ) perform
Yes they change to scanspeak, focal have production stopped I read somewhere now they making 16" fieldcoil bass in her flagship utopia
 
Not just SETs, no decent sounding tube amps can drive them properly, you need very high powered and high current SS amplification for these speakers to come to life and I don’t know of any that I like. I heard heard 4 major Wamm systems with so called latest greatest mega dollar amps and they all sounded kind of blah and none of the owners were happy. This was Brad’s point, high powered amps just aren’t musical even compared to mid powered solid state ones, never mind lower powered tube and SET ones.

david
I think your comment is very important for who are going for big Wilsons.
I like Wilson Audio top lines like Wilson WAMM but The challenge of Wilson Speakers is finding a match amplifier with both power/drive and musicality and this is hard to find.
New Wilsons (like XVX) are less efficient (around 7db) than old wilsons (like alexandria I) and this problem is more evidence.
Dave Wilson used 450W VTL monoblock in his showroom. VTL new power amplifiers have adjustable feedback control if I am not mistaken.
I think the only way is going for high power low feedback tube amplifiers like big VTL and cut-off frequency under 38Hz for main speaker and using Wilson Subwoofers under 38Hz.

most Wilson owners do not think about adding Wilson Subwoofers but I think adding wilson subwoofer will help alot.

I believe properly setup Wilson WAMM + Wilson Subwoofer will give us very very good Music experience.
 
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I think your comment is very important for who are going for big Wilsons.
I like Wilson Audio top lines like Wilson WAMM but The challenge of Wilson Speakers is finding a match amplifier with both power/drive and musicality and this is hard to find.
New Wilsons (like XVX) are less efficient (around 7db) than old wilsons (like alexandria I) and this problem is more evidence.
Dave Wilson used 450W VTL monoblock in his showroom. VTL new power amplifiers have adjustable feedback control if I am not mistaken.
I think the only way is going for high power low feedback tube amplifiers like big VTL and cut-off frequency under 38Hz for main speaker and using Wilson Subwoofers under 38Hz.

most Wilson owners do not think about adding Wilson Subwoofers but I think adding wilson subwoofer will help alot.

I believe properly setup Wilson WAMM + Wilson Subwoofer will give us very very good Music experience.
I think your comment is very important for who are going for big Wilsons.
I like Wilson Audio top lines like Wilson WAMM but The challenge of Wilson Speakers is finding a match amplifier with both power/drive and musicality and this is hard to find.
New Wilsons (like XVX) are less efficient (around 7db) than old wilsons (like alexandria I) and this problem is more evidence.
Dave Wilson used 450W VTL monoblock in his showroom. VTL new power amplifiers have adjustable feedback control if I am not mistaken.
I think the only way is going for high power low feedback tube amplifiers like big VTL and cut-off frequency under 38Hz for main speaker and using Wilson Subwoofers under 38Hz.

most Wilson owners do not think about adding Wilson Subwoofers but I think adding wilson subwoofer will help alot.

I believe properly setup Wilson WAMM + Wilson Subwoofer will give us very very good Music experience.
 
I think your comment is very important for who are going for big Wilsons.
I like Wilson Audio top lines like Wilson WAMM but The challenge of Wilson Speakers is finding a match amplifier with both power/drive and musicality and this is hard to find.
New Wilsons (like XVX) are less efficient (around 7db) than old wilsons (like alexandria I) and this problem is more evidence.
Dave Wilson used 450W VTL monoblock in his showroom. VTL new power amplifiers have adjustable feedback control if I am not mistaken.
I think the only way is going for high power low feedback tube amplifiers like big VTL and cut-off frequency under 38Hz for main speaker and using Wilson Subwoofers under 38Hz.

most Wilson owners do not think about adding Wilson Subwoofers but I think adding wilson subwoofer will help alot.

I believe properly setup Wilson WAMM + Wilson Subwoofer will give us very very good Music experience.

Interesting. I do like the big Wilsons with subs. We just had our XLFs calibrated to the new Robert Kodas (originally setup with Gryphon), and they are now flat to 25hz and -5db at 20hz...but the sub helped in that regard playing below 38hz or so in parallel with the XLFs.

Interestingly, we had the X1s (95db efficient, 6-7ohms overall) and the XLF is 93.5db (4ohms overall)...isnt the XVX around 92db 4ohms overall so [in theory] around 3db less efficient?
 
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XVX is 90+ dB efficient but presents punishing impedance load so needs high current delivering amps. I drive mine with darTzeel NHB 468s. I visited Dave Wilson numerous times and never saw VTL 450s there. He had Siegfrieds but mostly used D’Agostino amps. Whoever wrote that WAMM owners are unhappy is silly.
Interesting...yes, I remember some of the smaller Wilsons (older Sasha maybe?) was a punishing load. I have heard the XVX with the Robert Kodas flagships at Absolute Sounds (importer for Wilson, Robert Koda and also Dartzeel). You have amazing speakers and amps!

I think the unique combination that XVX possesses in scale, power and extraordinary instantaneous nuance throughout the spectrum and most memorably in the mids/treble is a really major step forward.
 
There would seem to be plenty of amplifier choices for the XVX. None of them are inexpensive but neither are the speakers. I guess it depends on what is meant by musical. I have heard the XVX with McIntosh 1.25KW and it sounded great. The Dartzeel obviously works for @TrackingAngle. The D'Agostino Momentum (or the big one). CH Precision M10. If it were me then Gryphon Mephisto Monos or Apex. And if the VTL Seigfried was good enough for Dave Wilson then it is obviously a great match for the speaker.

Plenty of choices.
 
Interesting. I do like the big Wilsons with subs. We just had our XLFs calibrated to the new Robert Kodas (originally setup with Gryphon), and they are now flat to 25hz and -5db at 20hz...but the sub helped in that regard playing below 38hz or so in parallel with the XLFs.

Interestingly, we had the X1s (95db efficient, 6-7ohms overall) and the XLF is 93.5db (4ohms overall)...isnt the XVX around 92db 4ohms overall so [in theory] around 3db less efficient?
92dB at 4 ohms is more than 3dB less than 95dB at 6-7 ohms. Plus the old X1 didn’t have any nasty dips in the curve. Your RKs probably would have liked them better…
 
XVX is 90+ dB efficient but presents punishing impedance load so needs high current delivering amps. I drive mine with darTzeel NHB 468s. I visited Dave Wilson numerous times and never saw VTL 450s there. He had Siegfrieds but mostly used D’Agostino amps. Whoever wrote that WAMM owners are unhappy is silly.
I noticed that your About section shows you had the XLFs before the XVXs (and the 458s before the 468s). Now that you have owned both speakers, I would really appreciate any guidance as to how the speakers compare.
 
There would seem to be plenty of amplifier choices for the XVX. None of them are inexpensive but neither are the speakers. I guess it depends on what is meant by musical. I have heard the XVX with McIntosh 1.25KW and it sounded great. The Dartzeel obviously works for @TrackingAngle. The D'Agostino Momentum (or the big one). CH Precision M10. If it were me then Gryphon Mephisto Monos or Apex. And if the VTL Seigfried was good enough for Dave Wilson then it is obviously a great match for the speaker.

Plenty of choices.
But good choices?
 
92dB at 4 ohms is more than 3dB less than 95dB at 6-7 ohms. Plus the old X1 didn’t have any nasty dips in the curve. Your RKs probably would have liked them better…
Yes, that makes sense to me. And particularly the X1s were the easier load. However, net net from an all around perspective, the XLFs are capable of doing things the X1s could simply not do. They did not have the resolving power of the XLFs nor the ability to deliver scale/power as effortlessly (and the X1s were GREAT in this regard). So while I agree that the X1s were a fantastic load and truly easy to listen to...and you could really feel that in the way it interplayed with amplification...the XLFs resolving powers, control and expansive yet effortless delivery win out for me. And yes, it also means that the Robert Kodas work harder...fortunately, they have a lot of current, power (all pure Class A) and travel that path easily.
 
But good choices?

1) Every audiophile I know with Wilson XVX or Alexx V loudspeakers loves them, and is happy with the amplification needed to drive them. Wilson Audio has had VTL Siegfried IIs (650 watts tetrode, 330 watts triode) for a long time.

2) If an audiophile feels that no high power amplifier will display the nuance and delicacy and realism of a medium power amplifier or a low power SET amplifier, then obviously such an audiophile will not purchase a difficult-to-drive loudspeaker like the XVX. For such an audiophile no high power amplifier will ever be a “good choice.”

3) If one’s starting point and self-imposed condition is to use only a medium power amplifier or a low power SET amplifier, then such person is never going to be happy with the high power amplification required to drive the XVX, or the sound of the combination of high power amplification and XVX. For such person no high power amplifier will ever be a “good choice.”

4) Limiting oneself to a loudspeaker which can be driven only by an SET amplifier, or selecting the low power amplifier first and then selecting the subjectively ideal sensitive loudspeaker to match with it, is a perfectly valid preference.

5) Even if one concedes that a low power SET amplifier offers a nuance and delicacy and realism which no high power amplifier can match, one might nonetheless choose an inefficient loudspeaker because the combination of that particular loudspeaker and the high-power amplification (even with the sonic sacrifices of high power amplification versus low power SET amplification) achieves for such person a greater suspension of disbelief than such person would achieve with an SET amplifier driving a sensitive loudspeaker.* This, too, is a perfectly valid preference. People in this category select, according to their ears, the best-sounding high power amplifier they can find.

*I am in this category, hence Siegfried IIs driving planar loudspeakers. Do I wish the Absolare SET, the Lamm ML2/ML3 and the Viva Aurora sounded exactly as they do but produce 350 watts? I sure do!
 
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Well said, Ron. It is all about the overall result where perfection is never the result but rather a personal preference out of a balance of benefits and some compromises.
 
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