Zero Distortion: Tango Time

[spiritofmusic]

Tang, is your floor carpeted? If it is, you won't get the best from yr Daiza, it really needs to mate direct to a hard surface ie straight on a wooden flr.

I'd hate you to get another possibly skewed Daiza based result from a sub standard install.

 

[NorthStar]

Shostakovic Waltz no.2 is excellent by the way.

Indeed, and it's in the Stanley Kubrick's film 'Eyes Wide Shut' (an underrated film in my musical/movie opinion).

 

[ddk]

Whoa... Quite a party. Don't know where to start. Let's do it this way.

Two days ago I told Folsom off line the reason I bought Daiza was because I will relocate my amps and I want amp stand that is smaller than my CMS to fit the space I have. Daiza can be tailor made the size and it is not expensive so I bought it. Oh..not to forget the French whom I am friend with suggested me. This is how Daiza got into my room. It was not an itch. The CMS also was not an itch. My dealer friend thought I need a good looking rack that compliment the look of my room so he just put them in for me and made me pay. I don't even know if it is has any effect to sound. My equipments were always on the rack. The Stacore was an itch though . Are we clear now that the Daiza is not in my system for the purpose of tweaking. If someone were to recommend me an amp stand with the exact size of ML3 at $700 I would have considered it too.

Now. I am very curious to know why my Sax tenor sounds like a freakin trumpet. Thanks to David to trigger me to look into this. I will put the Daiza directly to the floor. Then I will video record the sound of my system with and without the Daiza. See if the sax tenor still sounds like a trumpet. If the sound doesn't change then it is something else. Btw any of you notice in my Ben Webster video I obstructed the view of my amps with boxes of Siltech?

Once again I tango at my tempo. Lagonda said I waltz. Well I am not Ked that does Bolliwood quick steps.

Shostakovic Waltz no.2 is excellent by the way.

Sound Anchors makes very nice custom stands at reasonable prices though shipping will be expensive, otherwise Target amp stands are also decent and I think available in Bangkok.

David

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Tang, is your floor carpeted? If it is, you won't get the best from yr Daiza, it really needs to mate direct to a hard surface ie straight on a wooden flr.

I'd hate you to get another possibly skewed Daiza based result from a sub standard install.

i use special very pointy steel cones (with sharp extended points) under the 2 Daiza's on my thick carpet. i have three of my Tana LPS units on the floor but only room for one on the hardwood where it can use the full Daiza footer interface advantage. if i switch around the Daiza power cords i can tell the difference in the Tana performance on and off the carpet, but 'just' barely.

i do recall when i got the new Daiza footers a year prior and installed them under the 2 Tana LPS's for the Tana active units under my amps; that was a poke in the nose change to the sound; way out of scale to what i had expected. i posted somewhere about that at the time.

so the degree of perceived change will vary as to the gear involved. no one result.

i've even considered tearing out some of my carpet on the room sides to promote this performance issue.

 

[JackD201]

Not doubting anything you hear Bob but for me I just would not put the Daiza on top of a CMS rack

The difference between our 1s and 1Ps is that we adjust our air manually. At Jim's we use the supplied compressor but I typically let a little bit of air out. The factory calibration I find to be a little on the stiff side. AF1P owners can try setting air so the plinth sits right within the top indicator grooves on the feet instead of slightly above them. There's a little more to this with regards to the way the weight is diistributed especially if one has an arm in the rear and the use of the leveler screw drives but that is for another thread.

 

[Tango]

i use special very pointy steel cones (with sharp extended points) under the 2 Daiza's on my thick carpet. i have three of my Tana LPS units on the floor but only room for one on the hardwood where it can use the full Daiza footer interface advantage. if i switch around the Daiza power cords i can tell the difference in the Tana performance on and off the carpet, but 'just' barely.

i do recall when i got the new Daiza footers a year prior and installed them under the 2 Tana LPS's for the Tana active units under my amps; that was a poke in the nose change to the sound; way out of scale to what i had expected. i posted somewhere about that at the time.

so the degree of perceived change will vary as to the gear involved. no one result.

i've even considered tearing out some of my carpet on the room sides to promote this performance issue.

Thank you Mike. My carpet is thin with concrete under it. Will play atound.

 

[Folsom]

Btw any of you notice in my Ben Webster video I obstructed the view of my amps with boxes of Siltech?

Right away, yes. I was wondering what kind of game you may be playing with us

 

[microstrip]

(...) There's a little more to this with regards to the way the weight is diistributed especially if one has an arm in the rear and the use of the leveler screw drives but that is for another thread.

Thread for tomorrow?

 

[JackD201]

Sure I think there is an existing AF tips thread I started a few years back. I just have to find it.

 

[spiritofmusic]

i use special very pointy steel cones (with sharp extended points) under the 2 Daiza's on my thick carpet. i have three of my Tana LPS units on the floor but only room for one on the hardwood where it can use the full Daiza footer interface advantage. if i switch around the Daiza power cords i can tell the difference in the Tana performance on and off the carpet, but 'just' barely.

i do recall when i got the new Daiza footers a year prior and installed them under the 2 Tana LPS's for the Tana active units under my amps; that was a poke in the nose change to the sound; way out of scale to what i had expected. i posted somewhere about that at the time.

so the degree of perceived change will vary as to the gear involved. no one result.

i've even considered tearing out some of my carpet on the room sides to promote this performance issue.

Mike, I was going to go with a Daiza for my balanced transformer and move my Stacore Basic+ to cdp duties. However, carpet is precluding this, so I'm going for a seriously spiked Stacore Intro platform instead. Thread forthcoming. I suspect Tang will have to secure a spiked sub platform for his Daizas.

 

[Rhapsody]

Not doubting anything you hear Bob but for me I just would not put the Daiza on top of a CMS rack

Well, its like this Steve I had the AF1P on the CMS rack for about a year. There are people on WBF visited and MANY other people that heard it and the consensus was sure it was good, but it wasn't GREAT. Then I got the VYGER and IT WAS GREAT (to me).

I had put the VYGER on a Daiza, only because I had already experienced the positive effect (to me) with it under other components (server/dac/pre/amps). Although the Atlantis is on a SRA Craz rack (more wood so who ever REALLY knows who's doing what to who.

Anyway, once I put the AF1P on a Daiza I immediately liked it more and actually now I feel that it is different rather than one being better than the other. I don't believe in "better". At this level to me things are just different.

That's my experience. Either the AF1P or the VYGER can "blow me away" with their sonics, BUT when I listen personally for musical enjoyment, I only listen to Qobuz/Tidal streaming, not the vinyl or R2R or files. I'm a "happy streamer"

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Either the AF1P or the VYGER can "blow me away" with their sonics, BUT when I listen personally for musical enjoyment, I only listen to Qobuz/Tidal streaming, not the vinyl or R2R or files. I'm a "happy streamer"

i think there is an ointment for that.

 

[Rhapsody]

i think there is an ointment for that.

Nothing needed, like I said I'm happy.....very content.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Nothing needed, like I said I'm happy.....very content.

just teasing. love streaming myself too. but prefer files, and analog even more.

horses for courses. streaming does scratch a particular itch.

but i'm not demo'ing gear all day, every day, for guys like me.

 

[Rhapsody]

just teasing. love streaming myself too. but prefer files, and analog even more.

horses for courses. streaming does scratch a particular itch.

but i'm not demo'ing gear all day, every day, for guys like me.

If I wasn't doing it 7 days/week....seriously....every week....never not a week I most likely would be different. When I did the corporate gig for 25 years I only listened to vinyl. Vinyl is incredible, we all know that. R2R and files too. But for me so is the streaming. Yes, the others are more magical but once something is magic, then I'm good and dive into the music vs. the vehicle.

Regarding anything that I would say regarding vinyl vs. digital is very skewed and I would take it with a grain of salt. I do NOT have either the VYGER or the AF1P optimized with regards to arms on the AF1 and cartridges on both.

Because I don't listen to the vinyl other than for demos, which is probably 10 hours/week/vinyl, I haven't got around to getting ideal cartridges for both tables. I have an AF3 here as well. And a Ginga out on Long Island.

Each one of these tables sound fine for demoing, but they are not optimized, that gets done at a customer's home to their sonic and aesthetic preferences.

 

[NorthStar]

Sure I think there is an existing AF tips thread I started a few years back. I just have to find it.

Could it be this one Jack ...
• https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/air-force-one-set-up-tips-n-tricks.17605/

 

[PeterA]

Steve, understood. It's a forum for everyone. I've got no skin in the game, Daiza will never be in my room, I don't know Tang's system. I've said my piece. Ironically, I'm eliminating Panz from my system Lol.

Marc, Unless you compensated with your listening seat, your speakers were not being heard as they were intended because they were 3 inches off the floor. Now they are only 1 1/2 inches too high.

 

[Steve Williams]

Bob

I have no doubts that it sounds great. it is always good to have things like this come to fruition. I’m just wondering what the issue was with your CMS racks

 

[Rhapsody]

Bob

I have no doubts that it sounds great. it is always good to have things like this come to fruition. I’m just wondering what the issue was with your CMS racks

There isn't any issue with the Maxxum. The table didn't sound bad, it just did not dazzle as it does now. Don't forget there are the cartridge, arm, cables, phono stage variables in play. One slight issue can cause a dent in performance. As I've said I don't have the AF1 optimized. I could do better with the arm, the cartridge, the phono cable and the phono stage in play at the moment. If that was all done the AF1 would take a big jump up. But it's still just going to be different imho when compared to other top tier tables.

The other thing is that I change equipment around several times each week. Plugging this in, unplugging this out. I do NOT have a reference system that is fine tuned. I have 20 sets of speakers and 15 sets of electronics, all getting connected with different pieces several times a week.

Don't go by what I say, when you visit the city again, please do come for a visit, then you understand my "situation"

 

[Rhapsody]

Steve,

Bob

I have no doubts that it sounds great. it is always good to have things like this come to fruition. I’m just wondering what the issue was with your CMS racks

Question- I know that you said you would never put a Daiza under your AF1P, but did you try it before and that was what made you decide you would never do that? I don't know if I missed that in the past posts.

Again for me each chain/system is different including, floor, electric, power conditioning, ROOM and then the cartridge/arm/arm cable/phono stage etc.

We can never have a meaningful conversation about this unless you heard my system and I heard yours. I hope that happens in the future!