American Sound AS-2000 Installations- Far East (Tango)
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Tang seems like a patient man, but this might be too much to bare.
I don’t have finished baffles yet just an ugly test one we used for building the steel frame and listening tests. I’ll send Tang pictures once they’re done and he can update the thread as he wishes.
david
Here is some pics. They have been sound tested. Very much look and sound like ddk's big gun.
The black box is a JBL sub. Originally we planed to use B460 17"-18" ones like David's but my room is quite smaller than his so we opt for B380 15" pair instead. The crossover is also the same as what David is using. I have the picture of the opened box but it is proprietary so will not post pic.
The frame and the footing is made of stainless steel. Nothing quite like it in vintage speakers. The idea is shoot for the best sound using a combination of vintage and modern components. One would be mistaken thinking that David is a vintage guy. I think he is the natural sound guy who picks component that sound natural regardless of time made. It just so happened that some components having that natural sound were made in 1957. The Lamm to me is modern. AS2000 is modern. Denon speaker cables were made in the 80's no vintage by my standard.
on both sides of baffle you will see wood strips. I thought they were there for making subtle dimensional cosmetic. But talking to David, those strips effect sound. In fact the whole baffle is so important since it effect sound. I could change the baffle width from 180cm to 200cm to change the sound too. So the speaker is tunable for specific room.
Now I am waiting for David to stain the baffle. Then they will be shipped together with subs and the ML2s. I have been waiting for this speakers since the Baht was 30/$ now 36.5/$ hahaha. It is the friendship we have that makes David took great length to do this for me. A treasure passing on to a friend.
The black box is a JBL sub. Originally we planed to use B460 17"-18" ones like David's but my room is quite smaller than his so we opt for B380 15" pair instead. The crossover is also the same as what David is using. I have the picture of the opened box but it is proprietary so will not post pic.
The frame and the footing is made of stainless steel. Nothing quite like it in vintage speakers. The idea is shoot for the best sound using a combination of vintage and modern components. One would be mistaken thinking that David is a vintage guy. I think he is the natural sound guy who picks component that sound natural regardless of time made. It just so happened that some components having that natural sound were made in 1957. The Lamm to me is modern. AS2000 is modern. Denon speaker cables were made in the 80's no vintage by my standard.
on both sides of baffle you will see wood strips. I thought they were there for making subtle dimensional cosmetic. But talking to David, those strips effect sound. In fact the whole baffle is so important since it effect sound. I could change the baffle width from 180cm to 200cm to change the sound too. So the speaker is tunable for specific room.
Now I am waiting for David to stain the baffle. Then they will be shipped together with subs and the ML2s. I have been waiting for this speakers since the Baht was 30/$ now 36.5/$ hahaha. It is the friendship we have that makes David took great length to do this for me. A treasure passing on to a friend.
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Congratulations to both Tang and to David. As I strongly suspected, David will not deliver something until he is 100% satisfied. From the looks of the design, there is a lot of serious thinking and listening behind it. You are one lucky fellow, Tang. The length to which David is willing to go to make something right is astonishing. I wish you many years of pure joy listening to these. And some day, I hope to hear one of your famous videos playing music in your office. Simply incredible.
I am done Howie. I believe I already maxed out my Cessaro. They are sounding the best I ever have heard. Finished. My next chapter is begining and ending at the same time. Peace of mind now. Record buying only.Amazing. When you're done with them, you know what to do Tang!
Good for you Tang. Wishing you lot's of great records in your future.
What a stunning project - amazing.
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Your "new" speakers look incredible, Tang, congratulations!
Please let me ask one question:
Why do you get an ML2 and not a ML2.1 or even ML2.2?
Personally i dont think it is a make or break what series of ML2 I use for subs. I chose it because 1. I want to copy cat ddk's (Cant go wrong. A sure bet.) 2. The ML2 is rare in Thailand. There is one or maybe two pairs. Leyenda, a Thai WBF member now become a friend of mine has one. He wouldnt sell them to me. 3. Rare item is what I want. I also have my way to not lose a dime with rare item here.
All valid pointsPersonally i dont think it is a make or break what series of ML2 I use for subs. I chose it because 1. I want to copy cat ddk's (Cant go wrong. A sure bet.) 2. The ML2 is rare in Thailand. There is one or maybe two pairs. Leyenda, a Thai WBF member now become a friend of mine has one. He wouldnt sell them to me. 3. Rare item is what I want. I also have my way to not lose a dime with rare item here.
Is Leyenda still your friend AFTER refusing to sell you his ML2
I have been reading portions of this thread and enjoying the discussion about the AS table and hearing the enthusiasm of Tang and others describing their arms and cartridges. However the photo of Tang’s table with 4 arms and lots of accessories on the turntable platform gives me pause. If I may be so bold, let me share several observations from my experience with a Galibier Gavia table.@ddk. I guess you did not expect to see this in me.
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1. The Galibier base allows for two arms each bolted securely to the base via an articulating armboard, similar to the AS although less elegant and less convenient. Unfortunately each time I added a second armboard, the sound quality of the first arm suffered slightly. This was true even if the second armboard was empty, i.e. no arm was attached to it. In my case, the flexibility of having two arms set up and ready to go was not worth the sacrifice in sound quality so I now have just one arm set up at a time. The AS table is no doubt better damped than my Galibier so the presence of multiple armboards and multiple arms may not be as much of a problem, but I suspect there will still be a difference compared to a single arm and once heard small differences often become hard to overlook.
2. A few years back, Thom Mackris came up with a revised tonearm mounting arrangement. He moved from a single bolt articulating armboard to a more massive 2-bolt armboard. With my 9 inch Triplanar VII the 2-bolt armboard was a distinct improvement. This surprised me because the 1-bolt armboard was secured with a large steel bolt and was seemingly quite rigid. Perhaps the greater mass of the 2-bolt armboard was responsible for the change in sound. In any event, my experience with the 1-bolt armboards on my Galibier makes me wonder about the similar 1-bolt armboards on the AS.
3. Lastly I have noticed that objects resting on my turntable platform also affect the sound. A digital scale and an Allen wrench were the items where I first noticed this. As a result I now keep only a tiny stylus brush on the platform. Again Tang’s AS table and the platform it is resting on may be less affected by such things, but I suspect there will still be some difference. It’s certainly deserves some experimentation.
Short answer, the additional width smooths out mid and upper frequencies. With this type of design you have both electronic and mechanical crossover, ie the horn and the baffle. Klangfilm‘s design is for 2m x 2m but due to space constraints we made them 1.80m x 2m so I added the slide out wings in case he has more room, it makes a difference even if they’re not fully extended. Staggering them is an aesthetic element, easier to make them flat but having wings hang out flush from the sides without the base section looked like an after thought.
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Congratulations on great speakers! Should we believe that audiophiles born in 1957 have natural ears?
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Many Lamm zealots believe the ML2 bested the ML 2.1 and perhaps even the ML 2.2Personally i dont think it is a make or break what series of ML2 I use for subs. I chose it because 1. I want to copy cat ddk's (Cant go wrong. A sure bet.) 2. The ML2 is rare in Thailand. There is one or maybe two pairs. Leyenda, a Thai WBF member now become a friend of mine has one. He wouldnt sell them to me. 3. Rare item is what I want. I also have my way to not lose a dime with rare item here.
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