Exactly that meaning. If three people across three continents get this meaning, this looks fine
Does DSP belong in State of the Art Systems?
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Exactly that meaning. If three people across three continents get this meaning, this looks fine
Its funny .. I agree with Tima that its a clunky phrase but its common usage is what makes it handy .. I dont think anyone believes you can get a symphony orchestra in your living room... its those moments when your startled by the "reality" of an instrument and you just want more knowing you will never get all the way .. thus the spiral into madness begins
Most of us would be pursuing this in many different ways.
I do find these quests for the "proper" language pretty useless. This thread had some thoughtfull posts on the OP's topic which ground to a halt when the disection of SOTA commenced and the posters all went to sleep
Phil
Phil, you may be referring to my conversation with Ron about what state of the art actually means. I apologize if I was responsible for killing the thread discussion. I just wanted to know what we were talking about.
I have a vintage vinyl based system in which I would not want to introduce DSP. For a contemporary High End SOTA digital system, I can see where some might think DSP would have a place.
Consistently Toolean.
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Thanks for the compliment. F. Toole a the technical reference on modern speaker development and most modern high-end designs were influenced by his ideas and methods.
IMO his deep analysis of the stereo sound reproduction "Understanding the principles" should be advised or even mandatory read to professional audio reviewers. We can learn a lot from the top experts, even when we disagree with them. Unfortunately most people only read the small part of his research that has been exploited by the Harman marketing and is available for free in the net.
Curiously we are now writing about the words " Suspension of disbelief" that he addresses and cleraly explains in his book in an insert "The willing suspension of disbelief" and refers several times along his book.
Thanks to a famous book, thousands of readers in more than three continents know the meaning of "suspension of disbelief" .
Thanks to a famous book, thousands of readers in more than three continents know the meaning of "suspension of disbelief" .
i will for now suspend disbelief that the book is educational
No need to apologise Peter .. it was a general observation ( whinge) . Threads drift and sometimes can get more interesting as a result but many times they can become a semantic bunfight. Agree on analogue.. that would be a nightmare I have aspirations to get the vinyl going again so it presents a dilema for me!
I did limit my discussion to all digital systems in original post
Phil
The many latest post has certainly left me in some kind of feeling of "suspension of disbelief" of a B flat minor scale all over the place
So to end on a high note, it is certainly fully possible to implement DSP (EQ/DRC) in a hifi system, without loosing SQ. On the contrary, it will sound a hole lot better, provided it is dialed in correctly. And THAT is probably the main issue, lack of real usable knowledge and skills. Sorry to be blunt.
So to end on a high note, it is certainly fully possible to implement DSP (EQ/DRC) in a hifi system, without loosing SQ. On the contrary, it will sound a hole lot better, provided it is dialed in correctly. And THAT is probably the main issue, lack of real usable knowledge and skills. Sorry to be blunt.
exactly what I discovered after 10 years of plain stubborn refusal
but I only use PEQ under 550Hz with surgical precision
the TAD TD-4003 in CD horn is left all analogue.......next up is Duelund Cast caps in the hipass crossover
but I only use PEQ under 550Hz with surgical precision
the TAD TD-4003 in CD horn is left all analogue.......next up is Duelund Cast caps in the hipass crossover
Leif, everything just seems so clear, stepping out from the shadow and into the light, don´t you think?
there are rooms that benefit (get a net gain) from dsp, and speakers that can get a net gain from dsp. and media choices and signal paths where the dsp price is not as severe as other media choices and signal paths.
DIY horns might even be a category where more times than not the bass can benefit from dsp. but to make a broad case based on that particular case, that relates to most speakers, would be misleading. it's a case by case issue.
DIY horns might even be a category where more times than not the bass can benefit from dsp. but to make a broad case based on that particular case, that relates to most speakers, would be misleading. it's a case by case issue.
Every "case" as in a speaker in a room, would benefit from EQ. Time to back up your repeated arguments. But we rarely, as in almost never see any actual measurements (here on WBF), to back up these claims. Please show me a measurement of a speaker in a room, with no EQ, that would not benefit from EQ. Don´t expect me to hold my breath though.
as i've said before, my speaker designer did spend 2 days in my room back a few years with his tech toys. then later, after some room changes, i made some considerable adjustments by ear. that was 2016. no changes to the room acoustics or speakers since then.Please, you can do better than that. Show me yours and I´ll show you mine
please visit me and point out where you hear an issue. take your time. push things. then show me a room that uses dsp that i can go hear that sounds better.
i'm not religious about dsp one way or the other. i could see in some situations i would likely use it. my home theater, with 9.3.6 Dolby Atmos speaker set-up, uses the ultimate dsp tool, the Trinnov Altitude 16. in my 2-channel room, the bass tower class d amps (under 40hz only) use a digital slope.....but analog adjustments. dsp is merely a tool, and should be used when it is the best 'net' solution. there is a dsp price to pay in signal path purity. even my digital would be hamstrung by it.
music reproduction systems are complicated things and there are almost an infinite number of variables, so dsp or not is just a piece. a piece i stay as far away from as i can for my 2 channel. if i were to harness my signal path with dsp it would 'dumb down' my degree of musical involvement IMHO.
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If your speakers are passive, adding time alignment between drivers would be an upgrade. In many cases this is quite substantial. A passive speaker could also be made to have a more linear frequency response, better dynamic capabilitites and lower distortion in the bass.
A DSP that also works as a DAC and preamp will not sacrifice "signal path purity" if the device has sufficiently low distortion. That part has nothing to do with DSP itself, but relies totally on the hardware of the product just like any other similar electronic device.
Trinnov Altitude, which you mentioned, is an example of a device with too high distortion to be considered transparent.
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