Entreq Tellus grounding,in england
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I deleted it within a couple minutes of posting it after a moment of reflection. Amir is very quick.
I am a subscriber and read it and get a lot of value out of it.
I am a staunch advocate of consumer rights to information and transparency. If you favor otherwise, that's cool but don't look to me for sympathy.
If I want to go and spend $200 on a toaster oven, I want to know that it performs better than a $30 one. You make a living selling cars that have been praised by consumer reports for years and years. When I used to buy Honda's that was always front and center in salesman's pitch. Now you come and say you put no value in CR??? Give us some credit for intelligence Mike.
We sell nothing because of our traffic. No ads. No nothing. You are confusing us with some other forum with that argument.
No, it is good for all of us to have more information than not, unless you are a manufacturer and don't like that information to come to surface. The Jeep dealership doesn't tout consumer reports as a source of fair information like you do because their cars rate at the bottom of reliability rankings.
To use your debating tactic, you can live one way in real life and another in forums. It works for you. Just don't ask me to subscribe to its hypocrisy that way. It is not for me.
I can tell you when I get home I try to forget my business.
I refuse to talk about work to my wife, and she understands.
and the last thing I'm doing is to mix my hobby with work. it's my safe harbor. so don't cram this crap down my throat. I live it 55 hours, 6 days a week. and that is enough.
I deleted my post because I saw where this would go. but here we are.
Thanks Spaz... not sure about the first two parts but in agreement on the third... definitely a happy little meat sack.
In grace we trust.
Hey Be... I do humour, just not a fan of sarcasm and just putting a smiley face after a snipey little retort doesn't necessarily make something funny... usually just more sad. I am happy you don't need to listen to the Entreq to know everything about it, I was just suggesting that it would add to the level of the credibility in what you continually had to say about it. The word expert does derive from the Latin 'to have experienced or tried' so I do believe to be a complete expert we need to move past the theoretical and into the experiential.
I will admit my evil intent and I wanted to become a Be-liever and try and trick you into some potential point of conflicted discovery one way or another, maybe even undo your unflinching confidence in the notion that all to be known about this product was known since we as a species tend to feel we know everything about everything when it comes to well, er, everything... and that there is still hopefully some room in this spoilt human pursuit of ours for some things as yet still to be known. But that isn't to Be... no biggy... it's just one less experience in a life only a little less lived. If I was humourous would push two keys and Insert hilarious funny face here...
tunnel visioned or narrow minded where you are focused on just one way. i think it comes from horse racing where they literally put blinkers on to keep the horse looking straight ahead and not at anything in his peripheral vision.
How do you know its an exception? How many people have the capability to measure the noise in their system to make an accurate judgement?
1. Yes. A great many (and very high quality) products are double insulated these days. I dont think its restrictive at all, but I'm sure you will find products that arent.
2. Tag AV32rDP pre/processor and 100x5R power amp ( separate system at the moment with Totem Arro speakers)
3. Sorry, I havent felt the need to follow the circuit to find this info, but posibly the internal supplies 0v is connected to signal shield on the SE connections.
4. Audiolab MDAC Multiple PCS (2x Sony, 1 Acer, 1 Toshiba all work the same) one psu indicated class 2, the others were measure and their 0V had no connection to mains earth.
5. Not tried. I will try and find time to do so.
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The first files I listened to (the LP) were a poor quality source. Difficult to hear subtleties in that I'm afraid. Like several others I didnt hear significant differences. I havent listened to the second set of files. Not to mention that I simply dont trust others subjective views on this, you know expectation bias etc.
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??? What I said had nothing to do with bringing work home. It had to do with having one set of sensibilities in real life, and another here. If you make a living out of people being educated customers I don't see any valid logic to come and argue for the opposite here.
So your regret is getting the answer you got but not spitting in our soup as you were walking by our table???
Quite, I simply dont understand this objection that some are projecting towards a technical examination of the product, as if a subjective POV is the only arbiter. What are they afraid of??????? People dont have to agree with what is said, but to portray it as "armchair engineering" or narrow mindedness is nonsense.
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Well my attitude is that it does nothing of technical merit that cant be achieved with simple cheap cable and a connector block. Thats assuming you even have a "noise" problem in the first place. I also see the potential for it to introduce noise problems. I dont like the manufacturers use of dissimilar metals in the circuit, see my previous point on that one. I also dont find the manufacturers reasons for refusing to discuss the technical theory of operation plausible. The device is so easy and cheap to copy that any IP is already lost. Infer from that what you will.
I think there is every reason to be sceptical and somewhat incredulous about this device.
Whats wrong with that attitude or opinion?
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This is a point, however if there are intermodulation effects going on as you suggest, they should be visible in the audio band.
Should be able to test noise modulation (within limits). I could try a band limited varying signal and look in other areas of the audio band to see whats going on. You might also try null testing, although I think that also has limits.
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Now that I know what is meant by blinkered
, he captured the output using 48 Khz sampling. Therefore there is nothing else above 24 Khz there to show. The graph stops there.You need higher sampling rate to capture ultrasonics which is not available to us.
Did this comparison earlier but my PC hung and lost the work
As we see there is some reduction in the peaks with Entreq.
So if I read this correctly, that person's noise floor dropped from -116dB to -117dB in the worst case, and close to -143dB from -137dB in the best case, for $1250 for the unit plus whatever the cables cost. And the claim is that this noise drop is audible, and easily so? And elsewhere, I read that sarcasm is not welcome? OK, I will refrain.
The next test should include just joining all these interconnects together, at one point, away from the Entreq.
who is spitting in who's soup is a matter of perspective.
I regret that I made a comment that has resulted in a predictable and non productive exchange; realizing that too late to avoid it. we simply view the purpose and direction of WBF differently. with the former balance of our different viewpoints it was fine. a little objectivity and accountability is good.....preferred even. it made WBF unique. but the current balance (or lack thereof) seems like a continual fundamental conflict. constant attack mode from all directions. pretty soon the landscape will lack targets for the objectivists to feast on. maybe that is considered progress.
it's just personal observations. I'm not claiming any moral high ground or righteousness. but I still care enough to comment. and maybe I'm just one guy who has it all wrong.
Well said Mike. As a matter of fact, this isn't the measurement based forum......so why are observations from those who actually own this product so highly frowned upon, confronted and pushed into a corner whilst the measurement crowd seemingly has a free parade?
Tom
This is what seems bizarre to me no matter how many times I see it. If we agree or disagree about the best approach to our reproduction preferences, why the reaction of fear toward measuring. Proclamations that hearing is paramount yet a reaction as if some are very unsure and don't want measurements done. Maybe they show something, maybe they show nothing, but some people get hostile at just the idea to measure. To try and understand.
The flip side is the rather wide prevalence of companies who claim not to know how something works. Only that it does, and of course offer a whole range of similar products priced from high to low. Yes, sometimes people have stumbled upon something and it just works. Then it may be a long time before anyone knows why. Yet one thinks here is the place to try and understand why the most. How much more effective could something perhaps be designed if you know how it works? It strains credulity to have a whole range of products that offer varying effectiveness and greatly varying cost without some design process. One product or two maybe, but whole product lines from just lucky happenstance? Please!
So we finally get to a point where both sides are making constructive progress, with proponent of the product being kind enough to capture output, and others analyzing it and you and Mike come out to factionalize the troops this way? If you don't own the product or knowledge of audio engineering to comment on the same, please stay out of the thread. We don't need idle commentary intended to create friction and bickering.
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