Mike, are you not curious what it would sound like under the NVS turntable? I realize that you are probably too excited about the American Sound arriving, but a test under the NVS would be a good data point for the rest of us who enjoy reading about your experiments and experiences.
Herzan/Table Stable "Active" Isolation table.
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Mike, are you not curious what it would sound like under the NVS turntable? I realize that you are probably too excited about the American Sound arriving, but a test under the NVS would be a good data point for the rest of us who enjoy reading about your experiments and experiences.
first things first. I need to see how my visitors view the Taiko Tana performance.
the TS-150's top plate is too small for the NVS footprint (as if you think I did not consider 'that' already........about 1.5 seconds after I heard this
.) OTOH I did measure it and likely the overhang of the three 'quite wide' NVS pod feet on the TS-150 might be workable. so if my two visitors are 'game' (if the possibilities intrigue them sufficiently) that might happen. but we are understandably getting typically waaay ahead of ourselves.and as far as the American Sound.....that's the future; I am living in the present. and still trying to work out keeping the NVS if I can.
There’s a lovely home for your 3-legged puppy if you want to ship her over.
Knowing you, I can trust the pedigree and “one careful owner” bit.
Btw, Herzan under tt, Tana under SGM, pre, dac.
This still leaves your Dart monos sans active isoln.
Knowing you, I can trust the pedigree and “one careful owner” bit.
Btw, Herzan under tt, Tana under SGM, pre, dac.
This still leaves your Dart monos sans active isoln.
thanks Marc. if I do sell the NVS i'm not too concerned with finding a good home for it. but I would be happy to contact you first.
for the rest, we will just have to see it all play out based on what I/we learn.....and rest assured......I am/we are learning here.
Sure Mike, but there are more likely destinations for it than here at the Chapel.
It would be fascinating to have a long-term listening comparison on the AS v NVS over an extended period, you might well find aspects of DD are hard to do without no matter how stellar the AS proves to be.
I’m soon to order my third and fourth Stacores so I can finally get my tt installed and isolated.
It would be fascinating to have a long-term listening comparison on the AS v NVS over an extended period, you might well find aspects of DD are hard to do without no matter how stellar the AS proves to be.
I’m soon to order my third and fourth Stacores so I can finally get my tt installed and isolated.
You have to wonder then why the OEM doesn't provide an external LPSU if the improvements are that extreme and given the price of the unit, the improved PSU cost would likely be negligible.
Herzan does offer an external linear power supply. I intend to order it for the TS-140 under an Io control unit.
I asked for pricing and should get it this week. I also placed 8x10 sheets of Stillpoints ERS under and on top of the stock non linear PS to deal with possible EMI/RF leakage.
http://www.stillpoints.us/index.php/product/ers
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I gotta hand it to you, Ron.
You’ll spend $00000s on Herzan, but not a fraction of this sum on fuses or power cords.
I thought you were also considering Stacore under your Io on the basis of your wholly positive impression of it’s effects here.
You’ll spend $00000s on Herzan, but not a fraction of this sum on fuses or power cords.
I thought you were also considering Stacore under your Io on the basis of your wholly positive impression of it’s effects here.
Herzan, in my opinion, has satisfied numerous hurdles. Herzan 1) makes sense to me in that I understand how it operates and what it is trying to achieve and how it undertakes the attempt; 2) is endorsed by both MikeL (in general) and by DDK (for tube electronics); and 3) makes sense to Jim White as a platform under the Io control unit.
If you can round up that kind of unanimous support for a particular brand and model of fancy fuses, I am all ears.
I will undoubtedly purchase after-market power cords, but I think it makes sense to have a working stereo system first.
However, I am conflicted about a Herzan under the American Sound turntable. David prefers his American Sound without an active isolation platform. Christian and Mike have had great success using a Herzan under their respective turntables, but I think that having the turntable in a separate room makes the acoustic feedback concern less urgent for me.
No disrespect Ron, two audiophiles, hey ANY sample of two people, is no measure of consensus.
Mike just happens to have one of the biggest, most respected voices in our hobby.
But that doesn’t make his word Gospel.
I think you’ll find there are 100x the number of audiophiles commenting positively on fuses than there are those commenting positively on active isolation platforms. I’m not even sure THAT is a consensus.
Heck, more people chat positively about Shun Mooks than do about Herzan, but I don’t see you taking the bait.
* no offence intended, Mike*
Mike just happens to have one of the biggest, most respected voices in our hobby.
But that doesn’t make his word Gospel.
I think you’ll find there are 100x the number of audiophiles commenting positively on fuses than there are those commenting positively on active isolation platforms. I’m not even sure THAT is a consensus.
Heck, more people chat positively about Shun Mooks than do about Herzan, but I don’t see you taking the bait.
* no offence intended, Mike*
Sure Ron .
Ra and I still have that standing invite to hear how good those decisions prove to be?
Ra and I still have that standing invite to hear how good those decisions prove to be?
The target market for the the Table Stable / Herzan active anti-vibration line is electron microscopes and laser interferometry in laboratory environments. These locations do not have the powerful sound waves coming from speaker drivers and sub woofers and there is no correlation between the building vibrations and what is being displayed on the microscope.
Our audio sound room is a completely different situation where the sound waves in the air hit the Audio electronics and also the rooms walls and floor which in turn vibrate the electronics in a manner highly correlated to the original signal. These music signal correlated disturbances cause smearing that is very audible in high end systems.
All electronics are vibration sensitive, it’s only a question of degree. I don’t think there is a person on this forum who has not heard the difference a footer makes to the sonics of a piece of equipment. So not so surprisingly, reducing these music correlated motions reduces smearing, improves intelligibility and allows better definition of spacial cues.
We can make the offer to convert a owners stock TS-140 or 150 to external power supply and try out the Tana LPS. If the sonic change is not their liking, we will put the SMPS back. If and when TS Owner wants to upgrade to a Tana LPS, we can also offer to change out the stock 6 mm toplate for the 20 mm aluminium and Panzerholz sandwich.
Note, there will be some turntables that will sound better with the 20 mm sandwich, and others which sound better on the stock 6 mm. We have too few TT data points to confidently predict which type of TT will do well on the sandwich and which won’t. However we are confident that all DAC’s, preamps and power amps will sound significantly better with the sandwich top plate, we have tested plenty
That’s great! Can you configure the external power supply to handle two Table Stable units?
It is certainly possible, and we felt it was a logical option earlier on during the development. However, now that we know the how sensitive the transducer / actuators are, we don't think it's a good idea.
Each piece of gear is sitting in its own vibration environment and makes its power demands on the power supply. So it means at a minimum each consumer would needs its own regulator, and to be extreme about the implementation, it's own set of chokes and caps and so on. Then we would have to do a custom case to house it all
So to keep things simple, stupid, and to maximise performance, each TS/Herzan should have it's own Tana LPS
I’m struggling a bit to understand why the Panzerholz sandwich top plate would not be suitable for some tts, but good for others.
Esp since it’s uniformly good for other components.
TTs benefit from a variety of techniques to be isolated, I’d have thought 20mm Panzerholz sandwich would work for any tt.
I’m certainly confident the constrained layer tech of the Stacore platform will serve my tt v well, indeed Jarek has tested a fair number of tts on his platform, and he has a 100% hit rate so far.
Stacore fully into constrained layer tech isolation for tts, but Tana more selective?
Esp since it’s uniformly good for other components.
TTs benefit from a variety of techniques to be isolated, I’d have thought 20mm Panzerholz sandwich would work for any tt.
I’m certainly confident the constrained layer tech of the Stacore platform will serve my tt v well, indeed Jarek has tested a fair number of tts on his platform, and he has a 100% hit rate so far.
Stacore fully into constrained layer tech isolation for tts, but Tana more selective?
Because panzerholz has a very significant damping factor, or rather (frictional) damping ratio by design. Some turntables are deliberately voiced around the resonant signatures of its parts. If you damp those resonances you alter the voicing.
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