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I'm in full agreement with that, as it has been the exact same experience for me, but with different speakers though. :b
A bad room is a bad room , big or small and there is an optimum ratio for speakers size vs room size and desired DB level. Unfortuantely there are those who make big speakers that sound like small speakers, those tend to do horribly in big rooms.
Typically , big speakers Big room, get those speakers off the wall , enough sq area for good bass loading, then there is Listening distance vs reflective path ...
a good listening room makes ..
Typically , big speakers Big room, get those speakers off the wall , enough sq area for good bass loading, then there is Listening distance vs reflective path ...
a good listening room makes ..
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Bruce,
The real question is what we should consider an acoustically poor room for domestic listening and if just spending some hundreds or thousands dollars really results in real improvements. I have had great listening experiences in non treated rooms and most of the treated rooms I have visited were unbalanced or too dry for my taste. I find curious that the bias expectation brigade is so tolerant with room treatments.
As far as I see, only integrated projects from trusty companies costing a lot more than you suggest can give a reliable result with reasonable assurance of success.
-- There are no bad rooms (big or small); there are only 'bad' people living in them rooms who are not taking the time to fine-tune them. :b
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Bruce,
The real question is what we should consider an acoustically poor room for domestic listening and if just spending some hundreds or thousands dollars really results in real improvements. I have had great listening experiences in non treated rooms and most of the treated rooms I have visited were unbalanced or too dry for my taste. I find curious that the bias expectation brigade is so tolerant with room treatments.
As far as I see, only integrated projects from trusty companies costing a lot more than you suggest can give a reliable result with reasonable assurance of success.
Yes make the room too absortive( resistive) and the sound will be dry and dead , the key is controlling the reflective path and the listening distance vs such ..
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Alexandre, that has not been my experience. I have found that in the bigger room, the ability to maneuver the speakers around so that they can have enough separation and therefore less interaction is easier to accomplish.
I would agree that a big room can sound just as bad as a small room, BUT the big room gives you more options in regards to system placement, etc. Thereby, typically requiring less in the way of treatment.
Elliot G.
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Maybe before you make foolish comments you might ask someone who has been in that room. You Sir have no clue how that sounds. If you haven't been there you dont know. I promise you its better than anything you have ever heard.
I was recently in a home and recording venue that had no treatments whatsoever. Thought it sounded fabulous.
Bruce B
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So far, HP's site has had content added to it daily. I hope it keeps up.
It also makes me wonder what a huge loss it is for The Absolute Sound. In the last year or so, TAS has lost two of its best writers who are music lovers - HP and Peter Breuninger. AHC has been very inactive. Seems like Jacob Heilbrunn is the only music lover that I am aware of that is left on staff. (Ok he did trade his Playback Designs for dCS, but minor sins can be forgiven. Or is he turning analytical also???)
The rest of the big shots like Valin and Harley are so enamored with the audiophile vocabulary and gear that gives them "Deeper Understanding", that they couldn't identify live music if it was playing in front of them.
It also makes me wonder what a huge loss it is for The Absolute Sound. In the last year or so, TAS has lost two of its best writers who are music lovers - HP and Peter Breuninger. AHC has been very inactive. Seems like Jacob Heilbrunn is the only music lover that I am aware of that is left on staff. (Ok he did trade his Playback Designs for dCS, but minor sins can be forgiven. Or is he turning analytical also???)
The rest of the big shots like Valin and Harley are so enamored with the audiophile vocabulary and gear that gives them "Deeper Understanding", that they couldn't identify live music if it was playing in front of them.
Its the internet , no printing cost, where are the pics , how did he measure , flat , Yeah ...
Sounds like the KO , is the best sounding NOLA .....
Sounds like the KO , is the best sounding NOLA .....
On the subject of room treatment, I sent ASC my room dimensions, and placement of speakers, and they gave me some ideas for better sound. I began with 2 small tube traps per their recommendations. When I placed them and began playing music, my wife in the adjacent room came in, and commented on how much better it sounded- it was that dramatic. Say what you want, but room treatment pays huge dividends in the sound you get from your audio. Its a pretty good investment.
How's does WBF count their members? I could not find a members list.
On AA I have no clue how they get to 80k members. If you go through the member list the number of members being counted is 43 916 of which approx 41830 have zero posts. Only 2000 odd members have ever posted 1 or more posts.
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