KLAudio returns - new KD-CLN-LP200T RCM

[tima]

10 years from now is when you can look back to say when stuff actually settled down and were set......for 3-4 years in a row. where changing is no longer a thought.

It is an interesting phenomena -- how do you know when you're satisfied. How do you know when you're done? Ron said

I'll know it when I hear it.

Presumably one 'hears it' when making a change or when making a substantial improvement. Presumably Ron knew or at least thought he did when he bought those fancy Gryphon speakers. Now he's salvaging that purchase by using their bass towers. Not trying to pick on him -- he's just a near at hand example of the phenomenon..

How confident are we with our confidence that 'this is it'. Maybe we can only assess that as you intimate, by waiting several years.

Can we know it when we hear it if we don't truly know what we want? Saying "I want better sound" is simply not enough, imo. I'm thinking that knowing what you want needs to start with music, real music, not a list of audiophile adjectives.

 

[howiebrou]

It is an interesting phenomena -- how do you know when you're satisfied. How do you know when you're done? Ron said


Presumably one 'hears it' when making a change or when making a substantial improvement. Presumably Ron knew or at least thought he did when he bought those fancy Gryphon speakers. Now he's salvaging that purchase by using their bass towers. Not trying to pick on him -- he's just a near at hand example of the phenomenon..

How confident are we with our confidence that 'this is it'. Maybe we can only assess that as you intimate, by waiting several years.

Can we know it when we hear it if we don't truly know what we want? Saying "I want better sound" is simply not enough, imo. I'm thinking that knowing what you want needs to start with music, real music, not a list of audiophile adjectives.

We know that "this is it" when we get plenty of thumbs ups on forums.

 

[thedudeabides]

It is an interesting phenomena -- how do you know when you're satisfied. How do you know when you're done?

Pretty simple I believe. Regardless of the sophistication of the system, it's when you no longer listen to the gear and only hear the music. Goes without saying that for the typical hard core OCD audiophile, that is a difficult if not impossible mindset to fully realize and comfortably accept.

 

[tima]

Pretty simple I believe. Regardless of the sophistication of the system, it's when you no longer listen to the gear and only hear the music. Goes without saying that for the typical hard core OCD audiophile, that is a difficult if not impossible mindset to fully realize and comfortably accept.

It may be something like that.

I consider myself done though I'll probably try a few different cartridges along the way. I've always thought music is the end goal and a system is a means to that -- maybe that means I've moved beyond the "typical hard core OCD audiophile" phase or was never fully there. Today my overall result is thoroughly satisfying. I will continue to appreciate the gear. The room may be its weakness to some degree but I have no interest in pasteing up a bunch of acoustic treatments. It feels good to be done.

 

[bonzo75]

Ron

At least you still have your same 20 albums to play over and over

To be an influencer his number of boxes swapped needs to exceed number of albums. Should be close or already past

 

[bonzo75]

A different speaker, different preamps) , few different cartridges, tonearms, a different valve amplifier, trial with a 100w triode, SS amp, biamping attempts, room acoutic expeiments, is a lot for me, for sure.

corrected

 

[XV-1]

To be an influencer his number of boxes swapped needs to exceed number of albums. Should be close or already past

Ron, the true 20 album audiophile

 

[Neil.Antin]

I have not seen the info on the SH forum. Wrt stylus wear, a few years back Mike Bodell published an extensive paper on that topic on Bill Hart's site The Vinyl Press

Tim:

I am aware of the Mike Bodell paper. Here are two recent SH posts of some of the current recent work with Ray Parkhurst doing most of work since he has the macrophotography setup for the extreme magnification.

Sumiko Blue Point Special with 3700 hours

A forum member sent me a Sumiko BPS with logged 3700 hours of play (!!). I have been asking for such a cartridge with known high hours for some time,...

forums.stevehoffman.tv

SWSA, Stylus Wear Study A

I'm starting a new study to determine how much damage is done to a record groove by repeated plays. This data is needed so we can set a target number...

forums.stevehoffman.tv

There is also a long thread at the VinylEngine where Ray is providing updates.

https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=134294

An interesting observation (by measurements) is that excessive stylus wear can result in the stylus geometry narrowing enough to drop so far into the groove that it finally bottoms-out.

Take care,
Neil

 

[bonzo75]

I have not seen the info on the SH forum. Wrt stylus wear, a few years back Mike Bodell published an extensive paper on that topic on Bill Hart's site The Vinyl Press

The Finish Line for Your Phonograph Stylus… - The Vinyl Press

Examining the critical issue of phono stylus wear as it pertains to useful life and the potential for damage to records.

thevinylpress.com

Great read