Sad news. MBL has filed for insolvency.

[andromedaaudio]

Yes the horn/ tube fellows are just very loud in this forum, in real life they are a tiny minority. They are as persistent as born again religious zealots, the true chosen people of audio. It does get a little tiresome in the long run. I wish they were not so busy trying to convert us none believers.

I keep listening to /enjoying transistor and cones as long as i can on planet earth .
I m plamning to switch at the last moment to Horns / Sets so i can get to heaven ( where i have to listen to them eternally )

 

[Amir]

Some notes:

- analog/tube/horn lovers are not like religious zealots, actually they also like properly designed dynamic driver speakers or proper digital playback …

This means the important thing is not audio hardware and the important thing is their audio thinking and their experience.

- if you hear awful sound from many analog/tube/horns then it does not mean analog/tube/horn topology is awful.
This is very very important because proper judgment needs lots of experience so only experts can analyse the real capacity of topology and non-expert audiophiles can not.

This year I visited WE horn sibatone room two times and the sound was not good (dry flat no harmonic) but I know dry/flat/thin sound does not relate to speaker and if they setup properly then WE horn will shock all visitors with huge dynamics, immediate, energy and life.

- the problem is very few companies (in this market) produce good analog/tube/horns systems and you see David designed his AS turntable and he recommend vintage speakers. Romy designed his tube/horns.

- I respect all audiophiles activity but I believe the real valid/trusted information comes from experts like David.

 

[andromedaaudio]

This is very very important because proper judgment needs lots of experience so only experts can analyse the real capacity of topology and non-expert audiophiles can not.

Paid " experts " . lol

Anybody can judge Music /a Hifi system .

 

[tima]

Yes the horn/ tube fellows are just very loud in this forum, in real life they are a tiny minority.

Granted bonzo is an advocate and he led me to consider alternatives to my at-the-time Wilsons. He may be a bit acerbic but I don't think he is LOUD. Otherwise, who are these loud people? To support your assertion.

I have horn speakers w/ dynamic woofer drivers. I have both tube and SS/hybrid amps with tube front end and vinyl. I like/enjoy my system. I don't proselytize for any system -- at least I don't think I do -- feel free to say otherwise if you disagree. Choose what you like. Some systems are better than others.

 

[tima]

I m plamning to switch at the last moment to Horns / Sets so i can get to heaven ( where i have to listen to them eternally )

Wherever you go, you should listen to your own speakers for eternity.

 

[andromedaaudio]

Wherever you go, you should listen to your own speakers for eternity.

No , i want FM acoustics speakers

 

[wil]

Wil, I see Amir listing a few people who follow one approach but not naming those who follow a different approach. And I do not see where he writes that either approach is right or wrong.

On what do you base your comment that Amir is wrong? Wrong about what exactly?

I don’t think it was written the way you described. But, if that was his intention, all the good!

 

[wil]

Fundamental? The only people who attributed that claim were the ones offended by Peter's thread title 'Natural Sound' as self righteous. Mostly Lavigne and Al M. -- some time back. Amazingly we lived through it. It was faux indignant then and no less so now.

Recently you've been wearing your system on your sleeve.

The way Amir stated it comes across as a fundamental this vs that statement. It looks like he’s clarified it now.

I don’t know where the system/sleeve comment comes from, but whatever …

 

[Al M.]

I have horn speakers w/ dynamic woofer drivers. I have both tube and SS/hybrid amps with tube front end and vinyl. I like/enjoy my system. I don't proselytize for any system -- at least I don't think I do -- feel free to say otherwise if you disagree. Choose what you like. Some systems are better than others.

Yes, I don't consider you as someone who proselytizes.

 

[bonzo75]

who are these loud people? To support your assertion.

I think he is referring to the wannabes who keep using tube amps and SETs to drive inefficient cones and panels. These guys should simply swap their speakers if they want to participate in the SET amp owners thread, then they will be able to post more videos and be less vocal in their posting claims

 

[Another Johnson]

Yes the horn/ tube fellows are just very loud in this forum, in real life they are a tiny minority.

Since this thread about the financial reorganization (and hope for resurrection) of the German manufacturer of a unique line of speakers has been utterly and completely derailed, it seems harmless to give it a nudge in yet another direction.

Regarding the question of what constitutes LOUD on a forum, I would postulate that loudness is measured in APPD units, ie, “Average Posts Per Day.” A Loud member of this particular forum might be one whose APPD is over 4. Is Loud bad? I dunno. Perhaps APPD could be supplemented by consideration of the ALPP (Average Likes Per Post). If APPD is high, but ALPP is also high, (say greater than 1), that might be a measure of member “high value” to the forum.

High APPD with low ALPP might be the basis for diagnosis of a neurosis.

 

[andromedaaudio]

Since this thread about the financial reorganization (and hope for resurrection) of the German manufacturer of a unique line of speakers has been utterly and completely derailed, it seems harmless to give it a nudge in yet another direction.

Regarding the question of what constitutes LOUD on a forum, I would postulate that loudness is measured in APPD units, ie, “Average Posts Per Day.” A Loud member of this particular forum might be one whose APPD is over 4. Is Loud bad? I dunno. Perhaps APPD could be supplemented by consideration of the ALPP (Average Likes Per Post). If APPD is high, but ALPP is also high, (say greater than 1), that might be a measure of member “high value” to the forum.

High APPD with low ALPP might be the basis for diagnosis of a neurosis.

Its a natural phenomenon


Entropy:
Physicists use this term to describe the tendency of all systems to move towards disorder and decay. This is a fundamental law of the universe, and it applies to everything from physical objects to complex systems like relationships or organizations.

 

[Another Johnson]

Entropy:
Physicists use this term to describe the tendency of all systems to move towards disorder and decay. This is a fundamental law of the universe, and it applies to everything from physical objects to complex systems like relationships or organizations.

Die Entropy der Welt wird immer größer .

 

[andromedaaudio]

Die Entropy der Welt wird immer größer .

It seems so , but please keep in mind im dutch not German although i speak fluent German

 

[Another Johnson]

It seems so , but please keep in mind im dutch not German although i speak fluent German

The quote was not in German for you. It was in German because it was an original explanation when the idea of Entropy was first posed by Rudolph Clausius.

 

[Lagonda]

Since this thread about the financial reorganization (and hope for resurrection) of the German manufacturer of a unique line of speakers has been utterly and completely derailed, it seems harmless to give it a nudge in yet another direction.

Regarding the question of what constitutes LOUD on a forum, I would postulate that loudness is measured in APPD units, ie, “Average Posts Per Day.” A Loud member of this particular forum might be one whose APPD is over 4. Is Loud bad? I dunno. Perhaps APPD could be supplemented by consideration of the ALPP (Average Likes Per Post). If APPD is high, but ALPP is also high, (say greater than 1), that might be a measure of member “high value” to the forum.

High APPD with low ALPP might be the basis for diagnosis of a neurosis.

I agree, i am sure there are a few diagnoses hidden in some of these many posts !

 

[Elliot G.]

I'm sure I could solve all these posts about tubes and horns with just one political statement LMAO

 

[ssfas]

no one philosophy of system building has the upper hand in time, energy and effort....or seriousness of purpose.

i think all hifi approaches deserve respect; but unfortunately i do observe that is a hard thing for some. we get so much of that in real life wish we did not get (so much of) it here.

Why would I give you? You can check with David, Bill, General, if you want. Do some research as you have very low exposure to the category.

I’ve been slightly obsessed by a record by a new Japanese artist to the recording industry who sings and plays the guitar. It’s something of a concept album and the opening track starts with the sound of him apparently choking to death whilst falling on his guitar. Is it some Japanese ritual I’ve not heard of? Anyway, a very unnatural sound that sounds very natural on my audio system.

I popped into my audio dealer this morning. Only because I went to buy some crockery from a shop a few doors along. The owner was there, a member staff and… no one else! So much for the future of the hi-fi industry.

It’s a very nice store with two excellent listening rooms. Customers do come along and buy complete audio systems of the not inexpensive variety. Is being an audiophile something you have to suffer for? For me, the less suffering the better, I make quick decisions and don’t regret them. Do I have to suffer a bit more to join this club? From what I’m reading, I might take up golf.

 

[Al M.]

Regarding the question of what constitutes LOUD on a forum, I would postulate that loudness is measured in APPD units, ie, “Average Posts Per Day.” A Loud member of this particular forum might be one whose APPD is over 4. Is Loud bad? I dunno. Perhaps APPD could be supplemented by consideration of the ALPP (Average Likes Per Post). If APPD is high, but ALPP is also high, (say greater than 1), that might be a measure of member “high value” to the forum.

It might be a measure of "high value" to the forum. Alternatively it might just be/also be a measure of the ability of a poster to summon his "tribe" to his side every time he posts.

Analog is superior - like
Horns are superior - like
SETs are superior - like
It is so because I have the most experience - like

And so on.

 

[PeterA]

IMO, the like button and emojis have been bad for the forum.