The Grid Protector, the EMI Protector and The Allocator By Schnerzinger-In My System and I’m Blown Away
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Jason -
Schnerzinger is introducing new devices in the future, not to replace the Grid.
I read the GP Manual. I don't have the patience to do it the way they suggest. If somebody asked me, and nobody has, I would plug in the power, plug in and connect the wall wart, get the GP 40 inches off the floor, and set all the switches to II. That way, you will hear everything it's got. Then you could, as your patience allows, try changing one switch at a time from II to I, and then one at a time from I to 0. I believe it is easier to hear a reduction in the GP effect, than it is to hear a small step gain.
I read the instructions, and set one switch to I. I did not hear a change. Then another switch to I, again. no change. Then I texted Luca and asked where his what set. I set everything to max and oh boy, did I hear a difference.
I read the instructions, and set one switch to I. I did not hear a change. Then another switch to I, again. no change. Then I texted Luca and asked where his what set. I set everything to max and oh boy, did I hear a difference.
Al
Well said!
As I’ve tried to convey to all my Schnerzinger clients including yourself, plug it in and set to II. Then work down……
Well said!
As I’ve tried to convey to all my Schnerzinger clients including yourself, plug it in and set to II. Then work down……
I have mine with all 6 switches at ll per Gideons instructions as he knows my amps and speakers. I haven’t changed since. Having said that once my new Zellaton speakers arrive Gideon will follow his set up procedure and then come back once the speaker is broken in for re-calibration
When adding MULTI GUARDS to your system, I guess it will be a good idea to consider different settings of your current GRID and EMI configuration. Let your (and Gideon’s) ears judge…
With the GRID, setting II actually means a higher power level, for PHASE, EARTH and overall (POWER) range.
However, I did very well with the procedure according to the manufacturer's recommendation (manual) and already used the GRID in the time without Multi Guards in the switch position POWER = 0 and without the additional power plug.
The situation is different for the EMI. For the BANDWIDTH and CLOCKING switches, position II does not stand for a maximum power level, but it represents ONE (extreme) of 9 possible combinations of bandwidth and clock rate, which is probably only the best choice in certain individual cases. Only the POWER switch offers a choice of different power levels. As a rule, the switch position 0 (without power cable) should also be the best choice.
Incidentally, there is no connection between the optimal switch positions of GRID and EMI.
These are two completely independent devices that address completely different areas of interference field clearance. GRIDs and EMIs optimal switch positioning may be completely different.
The GRID addresses the power grid. Therefore, it is first and foremost important to which socket the fixed power connection cable is plugged in. The positioning of the GRID in the room (including the height) is of secondary importance. The switch positions are then optimized according to the manual. This setting is specific for your GRID in your power grid, in particular it is independent of the setting of your EMI.
The EMI addresses the interference fields in the room. The positioning in the room and especially the height is very important. Therefore, all switches should first be set to 0 and the best positioning in the room should be determined in this starting position. After that, the switch positions should be optimized according to the manual. The setting is specific to your EMI in your room, and in particular it is independent of the setting of your GRID.
Is the best effect achieved when it is put into the wall socket which is directly next to the one where the Niagara 5000 is connected to?
so what advice would you give me when I have 12 dedicated AC lines in my system with respect to Grid protector in your message above
In the manual it says:
Connect the GRID PROTECTOR at the first slot of the HiFi system power distributor. If this is not feasible, select a socket of the same circuit.
I don't know the Niagara 5000, so others may have a more competent answer to your question.
For a "simple" power distribution system I`d recommend to directly plug the GRID into this power distribution system.
Second best option seems to plug it into a socket of the same circuit.
I suspect that the Niagara 5000 is no simple power distribution system, so there may be reasons not to use one of the Niagara outlets for the GRID. In this case your solution (next to the one = same circuit hopefully) may be the best option.
The good thing is: You can test various sockets and let your ear decide.
The manufacturers recommendation may only help you to find the best socket faster.
As someone who is thinking about getting on the bandwagon I have a few questions.
Prior to adding your first round of these were you experiencing variations in sound quality during different times of day/night that you feel have been leveled out since adding?
When you say “Gideon knows your amps and speakers” are you saying that it is primarily your equipment that determines the best settings rather than your room environment/interference, AC, etc.?
I dont get changes during different times of day or night
I went by Gideon's recommendations
I can't presume to even remotely guess a "best solution" for such a complex situation.
Try it out and let your ear decide. You probably did that anyway. No one knows your system better than you do. I just keep pointing out that the recommendations from the manual should be taken into account. This can help you find the best solution for your own system more quickly.
Have you also tried a slot in the Allocator? (assuming your allocator feeds important devices of your system).
Sorry Steve, I might have to apologize. I have many years of experience with Schnerzinger, but essentially only with my own hi-fi system.
Uli
I was thinking the unoccupied second outlet beside where my allocator is plugged into the wall. I’m saving one outlet on Allocator for a Multi Guard
I’ve been getting many inquiries asking for a comparison between the Allocator, AQ, Shunyata as well as Gryphon and others. Of course I represent Schnerzinger, but I do believe that the AQ, Shunyata and Gryphon are really excellent products, yet with a different sound and approach. I would characterize the Allocator as a device which introduces incredible purity and imparts no discernible personality of its own. I think it’s this unbelievably natural and balanced character which sets it apart from other power conditioners that perhaps accentuate certain parameters…, seemingly impressive at first, but end up tiresome in due course imho. Still…, it’s a subjective choice in a varied quality market.
One client has traded in his Shunyata Everest/Omega for an Allocator here: https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lisbd8fi-shunyata-research-everest-8000-ac-distribution
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Exactly.
Audiophiles tend to be impatient and rarely trust their ears.
Especially if a room or grid is not extremely polluted, it can get obvious how much better as little toggles engaged as possible can sound. In the manuals we read that more toggles should only be engaged if it really sounds better then. IMO it’s important to follow that and start from zero. Even in case one aspect of sound gets a bit better with a switch, hear for the other aspects if they at least stay as they were. Don’t just listen for what you want to hear. And at the end, try to disconnect the unit and listen if none of all aspects got worse. When you have this patience, you’re rewarded with bliss. That’s valid for most things in high end audio imo. Otherwise you lose some potential (but will be happy anyway).
I think it’s important to add, that most of those other “power distributors + ” are mainly power conditioners of various kinds and have several functions inherited with the advantage of “everything in one box” and the disadvantage of not being as focused on the maximum effect of each part.
I understand that Schnerzinger cares for maximum conductivity and resolution as well as blocking of HF noise between the multiple outlets with the Allocator (more or less a pure power distributor with additional Giga Cancelling function for the surrounding of the unit)…and cares for cancelling noise out of the power grid with the Grid Protector. Both parts are maximally uncompromising in their function, which imo is the reason why at the end the Schnerzinger stuff is superior to other distributors combined with conditioners, Quantum technology products and even power regenerators.
In my situation I added a Gryphon PowerZone 3.20 to my system. All my gear, including my Gryphon Apex amp pass through the PowerZone. Out of the box it wasn't "veils were lifted", it was more like 15 sleeping bags were lifted. And I started from a very elevated position. The music just relaxed and became easier to fully appreciate without any new effort. It was easy, and it got better and better for three weeks straight. Every time I sat down my jaw dropped. Most changes I fully assimilate in a day or two. This was the gift that keeps on giving.
To me the Grid Protector works the same sort of improvement, to a smaller degree. Adding it to the PowerZone was like the cherry on top. It adds to the effect of the PZ and maybe does two different things, that I won't try to identify. It's more and it's welcome.
I haven't tried the EMI Protector or the other products yet. Improving my system is SO NOT my primary focus. Listening to music is.
This just means there are more fun options in the future. Bonus!
To me the Grid Protector works the same sort of improvement, to a smaller degree. Adding it to the PowerZone was like the cherry on top. It adds to the effect of the PZ and maybe does two different things, that I won't try to identify. It's more and it's welcome.
I haven't tried the EMI Protector or the other products yet. Improving my system is SO NOT my primary focus. Listening to music is.
This just means there are more fun options in the future. Bonus!
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