The Path to Paradise . . . or the Road to Ruin?

Unsighted you wouldn't be able to tell the difference, Ivor famously couldn't in 1981, and digital processing has advanced enormously since then.
Keith.


Ivor Tiefenbrun of Linn?
 
Rodney, as a died in the wool analog man, I've just had a VERY interesting experience w/DRC, which involved the tt going thru AD/DA. Mainly positive, w/some caveats. The q is, are those caveats critical?

I gave up TT's some years ago .. im not too sure whether the caveats are important .. I used a z-sys 24/96 AD at the time to get input to my Meridian DSP6000 speakers.
I would rather have a slight loss in "magicality" than boominess... I do have thorens TD150 TT..but thats just for show ..every card carrying audiophile needs a TT or valves or both to establish their credentials:)
I have a lot of pals that wouldn't dream of digitising their analog front end..I respect that
on the other hand , I have a pal with a linn full funked TT and now a Raven TT who uses a devialet as a front end for his analog (AD internally , riaa etc all digital) and he got rid of his uberexpensive ARC phono stage as he said the devialet was better..
I dunno....
 
In a nutshell the extreme bass boom in Keith's room has been properly tamed w/DRC, but some dryness/truncating of notes was apparent.
Everything in life is a compromise, esp at these exalted levels, and given a straight choice, the DRC'd sound was clearly superior. Still processing in my brain the upshot of all this.
Need to incorporate tubes in this system before I can make a firm conclusion.
 
Do you like your current system? Buy more music. It's a better, much more rewarding hobby.

Tim
 
In a nutshell the extreme bass boom in Keith's room has been properly tamed w/DRC, but some dryness/truncating of notes was apparent.
Everything in life is a compromise, esp at these exalted levels, and given a straight choice, the DRC'd sound was clearly superior. Still processing in my brain the upshot of all this.
Need to incorporate tubes in this system before I can make a firm conclusion.

this has always been my problem with digital amps, including the Mola Molas at shows - i believe they strip harmonics due to higher orders of odd-ordered distortion from negative feedback used.
 
I appreciate the efficacy of DRC. I can stomach DRC for subwoofer integration but I am not going to run a full-range, pure analog signal -- with not a single transistor in the signal path -- through DRC.

You may not NEED to run full-range DSP. In my room there was plenty of usable response above the subwoofer crossover point to get a measurable flat frequency response using DSP on the sub alone. It's not necessarily a question or digital v. analogue or tubes v. transistors. Why add anything if not needed? Good luck with your project!
 
No they just dont add or take away anything, they are the closest amp to a 'straight wire with gain ' available, if you are used to distortion albeit pleasant they might take a little while to get used to.
Keith.

with all due respect, this is your opinion. please don't belittle mine. i've heard your amps - for example, they don't sound like live strings TO ME. and I run DarTZeel SS at home, not SET.

you are welcome to feel differently, but enough of the dogma dude.
 
with all due respect, this is your opinion. please don't belittle mine. i've heard your amps - for example, they don't sound like live strings TO ME. and I run DarTZeel SS at home, not SET.

you are welcome to feel differently, but enough of the dogma dude.

..uh oh...amp fight :rolleyes:
 
Hello gentlemen. Let's try better to be polite to one another. If an internet fight is what you want, do not do it on this forum. Please take it to private conversations or you may not like the final outcome should you choose the wrong path.

Tom
 
I just have the upmost admiration for you, being able to determine the character of one specific component ,in an unfamiliar system in an unfamiliar room at a show!
Now if you had the Molas at home and compared them to your Dartzeel, then I feel your opinion would carry more weight.
Keith.

in fact it was a very familiar system in the same room several years in a row (that consistently is viewed favorably by the audio press). i even own the same source (Brinkmann). the distributor rotates between Luxman and Mola Mola. I've had Luxman in my system and compared with DartZeel. I will freely admit I haven't tried MMs at home- as my experience was poor at the demo so no real need.

any other questions?
 
Hello gentlemen. Let's try better to be polite to one another. If an internet fight is what you want, do not do it on this forum. Please take it to private conversations or you may not like the final outcome should you choose the wrong path.

Tom

Tom, I'll bow out now. and perhaps for quite a bit longer.

I'm tired of dogma and folks can't say an item is best because EVERYTHING else is colored. That's not an argument, that an ultimatum.
 
No they just dont add or take away anything, they are the closest amp to a 'straight wire with gain ' available, if you are used to distortion albeit pleasant they might take a little while to get used.

I agree with KeithR. This is unsupported and, probably, unsupportable hyperbole.
 
I just have the upmost admiration for you, being able to determine the character of one specific component ,in an unfamiliar system in an unfamiliar room at a show!
Keith.

I agree with KeithR. This sarcasm is totally unwarranted and inappropriate.
 
I agree with KeithR. This sarcasm is totally unwarranted and inappropriate.

Agreed. If I recall correctly, this is the same type behavior that caused the moderators to ban this individual in the not too recent past.

Oh well. Appears some things never change. :cool:
 
My apologies sorry Keith, Tom.
Keith.

It seems you continue to not understand why your absolutism attitude upsets people and is, IMHO, counterproductive to meaningful, respectful discussion. How many times do you need to be called to the principal's office?

Suffice to say I agree with Keith R. and Ron and understand why Keith R. may not wish to post in the future.
 
It seems you continue to not understand why your absolutism attitude upsets people and is, IMHO, counterproductive to meaningful, respectful discussion. How many times do you need to be called to the principal's office?

Suffice to say I agree with Keith R. and Ron and understand why Keith R. may not wish to post in the future.

It is one thing to entirely disagree with everything someone post .. I can dig that . What I can't comprehend is the need to leave the forum because of continuous, ongoing , repeated disagreement with one given individual ... What gives?
 
That would be up to Keith R. of course. And kinda goes to the heart of two active discussion (criticism) protocol threads.

If you are implying it is only me who has disagreed with this individual, that, with all due respect, is simply not true.

Best.
 
It's a horrendous problem to have Ron...deciding which SOTA speaker system you want.... I see you didn't include the Vox Olympian/Elysian. Seems to me they should be included too albeit probably the most expensive speaker system on the planet. They sure are the purdy-est. ;)
 

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