VAC 452 iQ review in Stereophile

Is Romy back? :p
 
I have been interested in listening to the Halcro phono
 
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The new Zu flagships will be running onboard subs w Halcro Class D replacing Hypex.
 
Are you addressing the new Aida?

I believe it was the new Aida. I didn't want to spend time on it because there were other toys I was more interested in, and was in a rush..But I imagine it would be similar on both Aidas. I have heard both new and old Aidas with the flagship ARC 750, and the 750 can't drive the speaker from the same parent company.
 
Mike,

I must say I disagree with the suggested tone that DartZeel is "more real" or more "true" and tubes are for listening for pleasure.Most people find that systems are pleasant just because they sound to them more real. I have owned Dartzeel for several years in the past and even hosted the new preamp and the NH458 for several weeks. It is an excellent brand, but IMHO there is nothing more real in it than in many other top tube systems.

Again IMHO what creates the feeling of more real is the synergy with the whole system, room and the education of the listener. Stereo is extremely limited in the capability of reproducing real events. But yes, audiophiles love nice rules and stereotypes in an hobby that is mostly an individual experience.

Excellent post! Amazing how subjectivity works - it truly is an individual experience based on the power of ones' imagination. Dartzeel is excellent, but there is no way in hell I would trade my big amps for them for running the big system, and wouldn't even consider them for other systems I own.

Question for you: What do you mean by "education of the listener"? Do you mean it in the case of someone like me going to the same Thai family restaurant for 20 years, learning/ acquiring that taste, and then subsequently judging all Thai restaurants by that standard?
 
Hi - My post was not about SET or SS or tubes or speakers. It was about what is one's reference for assessing sonics and what one hears when listening to live acoustic music.

Sure, but what I'm getting at is that he heard a difference. It may have been a smaller difference than he has heard before based on his system, his needs, his preference, etc. But because of the subjective nature of this hobby, other people may place a higher value of that difference. And I believe most of the discussion in this thread has been about that.

In my case, I got a different system altogether to further amplify that difference as I believe that high efficiency excels in filling that gap
 
Fremer is no more than a data point. maybe one who we know well, and so we put more weight on it, or less weight depending on our viewpoint......or whether his view is friendly to our own.

True, but to many who are less into the hobby than we are, he is a great authority and celebrity.

And there is a huge mass of products out there in the marketplace, resulting in confusion and paralysis... and when people get confused they look to authority figures to help them out of that state of paralysis , per well-documented psychology studies...

In addition, "Great Yoda" Valin also reviewed VAC, gloriously I'm sure, making the authority influence technique that much more powerful
 
True, but to many who are less into the hobby than we are, he is a great authority and celebrity.

And there is a huge mass of products out there in the marketplace, resulting in confusion and paralysis... and when people get confused they look to authority figures to help them out of that state of paralysis , per well-documented psychology studies...

In addition, "Great Yoda" Valin also reviewed VAC, gloriously I'm sure, making the authority influence technique that much more powerful

Good points, Caesar. However, I suspect potential purchasers of these VAC amps will listen to them and probably trust their own ears before buying. They are not likely to buy just because Valin or Fremer give a good review. I think reviews of this type of product - high cost, rare, etc - is primarily for content for the magazines, pleasure of the reviewers and readers, and marketing for the designer. Brand awareness in print, discussions, etc, and perhaps trickle down awareness for their other products.
 
True, but to many who are less into the hobby than we are, he is a great authority and celebrity.

And there is a huge mass of products out there in the marketplace, resulting in confusion and paralysis... and when people get confused they look to authority figures to help them out of that state of paralysis , per well-documented psychology studies...

In addition, "Great Yoda" Valin also reviewed VAC, gloriously I'm sure, making the authority influence technique that much more powerful

i don't want to undersell Fremer. he is far and away the top analog reviewer in my mind, and is exposed to the most gear. i know his viewpoint and trust his integrity, while realizing he operates in the real world too. i've used him as a 'tip over' data point on gear more than a few times.....but people i know personally are more significant. my most recent analog purchases were never commented on by Fremer. which did not enter into my decisions one way or another.
 
Good points, Caesar. However, I suspect potential purchasers of these VAC amps will listen to them and probably trust their own ears before buying. They are not likely to buy just because Valin or Fremer give a good review. I think reviews of this type of product - high cost, rare, etc - is primarily for content for the magazines, pleasure of the reviewers and readers, and marketing for the designer. Brand awareness in print, discussions, etc, and perhaps trickle down awareness for their other products.

I think the experienced folks will, but others won't. To some a "great enough" sound along with celebrity endorsements will cut their search short, and they will write the check.

Not everyone is obsessed as the few hundred regular guys on this site
 
I think the experienced folks will, but others won't. To some a "great enough" sound along with celebrity endorsements will cut their search short, and they will write the check.

Not everyone is obsessed as the few hundred regular guys on this site

In addition, the VAC is great on NOLA, VS, and for Fremer on Wilsons. But it doesn't have the bass to drive Magico like CAT, so someone can definitely make a mistake
 
I dont see a current pre amplifier in their line up .
I have never heard their older dm 8 or dm 10 i have heard halcro only with ml 32 and zanden /octave pre
It might be that the halcro pre amp is a bit sterile , i dont know

Yeah the dm8, it had a good rep. Would like to hear it
 
I only had the misfortune to hear Halcro Amplification once when they originally launched the first time-my impression at the time was the similarity

to my old Crown( Amcron) 150/ 300 seriesPre /Power combos--namely bright ,overly edgy and yes the epitome of sterile.

Sorry words escape me for any praise for either-so gentleman choose wisely before plonking down the Big dosh for the new incarnations.

I just hope they've got the Sonics "right" this time to go with the "incredible" measurements I'm sure their marketing Dept will make you swallow.

YVMV

Caveat Emptor:(

BruceD
 
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